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I'm very very delighted to introduce Fran Fran

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edgely is an initiator of the new transdisciplinary

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action research group network a

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b a decentralized

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organization of people practicing more Equitable worlds

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through this they're trying to

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build knowledge around the invisible structures and

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dispositions of that produce and are

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reproduced by our social and physical architectures.

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Projects investigate in this includes projects investigating

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the means and possibilities of land distribution

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redistribution the real reorientation of

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power through the delivery of capital projects improvisation in

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housing and hostile UK Asylum system.

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Prior to working as a

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b Fran was a founding partner of the architecture and

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design Collective assembled with whom they worked

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for 12 years to look critically at the processes built

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producing our built environment.

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Through work with assemble an interest in how the physical

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world is made evolved into a commitment to build projects with

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communities expanding that experience

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of making and remaking the world.

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This motivation has been a driving force behind many

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projects including Oto projects Baltic Street

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Adventure Playground one of my favorites.

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Granby Workshop transnational Interstate

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art agency

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pioneering places and House of anetta which some

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of you may be familiar with

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friends practice includes work with Democratic education

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Collective somatic explorations of

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space and filmmaking

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the the keynote was due to happen alongside Sophia

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Daria, but sadly Sofia

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is unable to be here today. So

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the the kind of

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introduction and the framing of the event was very much

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Fran and Sophia so over to

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Thanks see and

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Yeah, I just wanted to say Sophia and

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I wrote a lot of this together and

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thought about the structure. So yeah, it's a

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shame that she can't be here today and

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she's also an advocate for chaos, so she

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would have really enjoyed this morning as well and

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Yeah, before I start I just wanted to say that.

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I guess this is the first time I've ever been to a

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thing that is around systems design

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or thinking and and so it's really

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it's been amazing this morning just

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mean I was playing a bit about it in in the presentation, but I

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already felt like yeah, maybe these are my people and then today I'm

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like, wow, it's even you

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know, this new other layer of like familiarity. So it's

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yeah, it's really exciting to be here. So thanks for having

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Yeah, I would say like and the Sea end up doing

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like strange diagrams with

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expanding fields and I actually haven't done really any

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of them today. So, yeah, but

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impulse

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Yeah, so it feels really kind of euphoric to

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be here. And also yeah,

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I've excuse me if I do a lot of squinting at my

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paper because this morning I've also been like writing over all my notes and adding

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in an extra words changing into

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disciplinary to trans disciplinary. So, yeah,

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it's interesting I guess and

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language and I always struggle to think talk about

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what I actually do. So maybe one way of talking about it

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is kind of systems worker and I also wanted to

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say before I start I'm a proud member of the

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anti-growth Coalition. And for those

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of you who aren't following Liz trusses and

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whatever it is that she's doing

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she recently and I've

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been thinking about a lot this morning as well because she's constantly basically

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has kind of categorized all people who don't agree with

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her politics and policies as the anti-growth Coalition

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and given some of the you know,

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feels like just totally dissociative that

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is what the leader of our country is talking

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about. But that's where we are and today.

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so my intentions with the

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well, my legs just start shaking.

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public speaking. So I feel fine until I like cross edge

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I forgot them are two of them. So yeah,

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my intentions with this presentation is basically

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context of being here with all of you to talk about this new

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organization that has started up over

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the past couple of years and which has

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evolved out of my time with assemble which

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is a kind of design and architecture practice. I've

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been working with for the past 12 years and I

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of political Critical Agenda

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a more transdisciplinary.

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Approach and then I'll talk a

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little bit about that. And then the second half I'm going to talk about House of

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anetta, which is one of the projects that we're working

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on through that Network and I will talk a little

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we're thinking about systems in the approach to

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that project and yeah.

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yeah, I guess through the talk. I'm going to be presenting different

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forms of information.

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perspective and process which is

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obviously not necessarily like cutting me but different quality

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of information and

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helpfully because I'm very honest person.

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in where I didn't do the diagram, but

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it will happen in the future. So it's kind of like a nice working process

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to have also had to articulate a lot of

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through process trying to also dissolve kind

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to give thanks to all the references as a precursor

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to talk in the way that you might do a friend

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who's kind of told your tail. So this is

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a story that I've been told by Anne is being told

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by strangers friends and lovers none of

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the ideas of mine. But I share with you where the ideas are and current

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moment and through this

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telling they can then move through and with

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constellation of voices and people that have kind of

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and some perspectives on the current

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state of the profession and

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a kind of both significant output produced by

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an actor in reproducing the systems and Societies in

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which we live and particularly because it's a

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form that takes so much time and resource. It's a kind

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of powerful mirror to the shape of its contemporary kind of

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dominant values and forms of power that exist

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growing up and living in the UK.

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focused their surfaces on the demands of

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clients and who normally have access to significant

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amounts of capital and as a motivation

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those clients often aim to compound existing wealth and

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this project framework as a mutable and to operate in a state

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of determinism.

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worked concretize wealth inequality as an acute

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spatial form. So yeah, I

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housing expenses are the most significant expense

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for the average British Citizen and the primary cause of

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wealth inequality. The UK is the most considerable inequality

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average income to property price ratio is one to

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eight representing. I mean, this is also, you know,

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representing the most significant Gap in housing access since 1830

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which is you know, it's just really astounding

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and a lot of the problems in architecture are

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the terms and conditions of the way finance and subsequently available

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build are already predetermined by the time we start the role as

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kind of credit and tendering processes are so favorable

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so Insurance regulation. So then

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non-standard construction is unmortgageable.

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get this from like repetitive what people sometimes

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input from the end user and results in community stagnation

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architecture adjacent related? Okay, it's Phoebe.

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the industry practices but in contrast these

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forsaken their power over the industry failing the

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users of the built environment and the process and ultimately we feel

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architectures uses need protection from

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brutal exploitation driven by a capital prioritization and

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lengthy research by Brazilian theorist and

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architect Sergio pharaoh. Who?

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that the role and it's Tools in particularly

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drawing evolved as a way

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of disempowering craft laborers and removing the marks of

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the Masons and that the actual evolution of the professional practice

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of architecture demanded a kind of division of labor in order

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the Inception and development of the profession.

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in the professionas that this and this

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power imbalance many practitioners have

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been adopting a trend of kind of moving from physical to

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social organizational cultures looking at dark matter

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or cognitive development as the primary architectural

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practice.

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like new skill sets and different Frameworks of practice as

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we've talked a bit about non-nucleature and professional silos

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this morning. But yes, sometimes

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it's called spatial agency or social architecture

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might also fit in there, I guess as a

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the same issues, but only able to engage with siloised professional

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contexts.

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So AB is trying to start a community of workers.

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many the community that can share knowledge and

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thinking and resources as well.

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maybe it's grown from conversation started in 2019

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like was blown away when I had my first experience on like a construction

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site and and access into understanding like

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the labor and time that goes into

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constructing the world around us. And so then

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I kind of got involved in assemble and that was

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Education, I guess through kind of technical processes.

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and through that work really have been

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developing social projects concerned with design not only

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about physical and material concerns, but also working through

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organizational structures and the kind

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of conditions that certain spatial infrastructures can

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the new works with Granby four streets Queensland trust

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and on housing on a kind of

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actually constellation of different projects and the prior slide.

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he's Glasgow.

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and was yeah in the

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in the kind of was actually a product of the Commonwealth Games

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and was trying to create a space where

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children had autonomy and access to the evolution of the city around

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them that was otherwise being regenerated in on a kind

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of scale both TimeWise and like in

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plan that was totally irrelevant to their lives

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and or just wasn't thinking about them at all and

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the group have also been doing kind of architectural adjacent work

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in different ways. So

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one person Louis was

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also prototyping new Community Resources that

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could lead to better public services. So he worked on

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establishing the national food service, which some

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of you may have heard of

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of the work has been a Malik Community Access to space.

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And another person in the network.

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Has been spending time trying to think about how we can

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develop practice in the interests of the workers. So

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initiating the first architectural Workers Union since

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the 70s for a profession, which was often deemed unused

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on unionizable.

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I've got to some scribbles spot processes with

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looking. Yeah, I guess so having spent

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12 years in assemble and

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trying to essentially kind of being

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having like a form of political education through spending

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time in these different communities.

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and also in parallel to that assemble going

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from a kind of like least constellation of friends and then becoming

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different forms of kind of legal structure and like consolidating

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into a partnership with which has

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produced over time multiple different like

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organizations or companies that kind of manage or

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are a part of different projects as they get done. So

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it kind of like yeah depositing of other like satellite

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organizations.

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In parallel to that a lot of the group have become qualified

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Architects and has been a lot of time in.

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institutions and in Academia

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and I think yeah, there's been a

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real kind of a shift towards like

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just

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an inevitable way of like reproducing certain

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types of behaviors and like languages and like

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Risk conception and methodologies that even

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though assemble is still doing like

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quite yeah.

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Unusual architectural practice. It is definitely doing architectural

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practice and now and I think yeah, this

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AB is a kind of like step to try

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and set up some chains of

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activities or like infrastructures that can

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unfold over the next like 10 12 years. We'll see that

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hopefully can start to yeah have

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this more political and trans disciplinary approach and

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hmm. Yeah kid who's getting out so over the past

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pandemic years different groups of us have discussed and

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learned about how kind of positively impactful spatial

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social projects have the potential to be

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and yet how short-sighted and damaging architectural development

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currently is

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those connections share a kind of common appreciation that

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architecture is reproducing these kind of

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Is a mechanism for reproducing?

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Social systems and values and

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I guess you know, I think didn't mention it in its

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relation to and contribution to

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climate change. But also in the way that the space

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shapes are lives and and the privatization

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of land and concept of property, you

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know, so tightly round up with so many

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of these things that are really fundamental to the way in

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which

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the normative status quo kind of unfolds currently.

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And so if architecture singular reproduces the

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existing order might there be ways to reorient the

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practice fertilize it in order to navigate and

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skipping too short and dismantle oppressive

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systems and makes space for different forms of living

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together.

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And so yeah, this is really a question of

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trying there's like people quite a range

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of people says like architectural workers Fabricators doctors

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land workers organizers sound practitioners

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artists teachers researchers. So it's yeah,

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it's about form of practice not like genre or

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profession or medium or technique and

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and this is our business plan, which is

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somewhere between a kind of like

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17th century philosophy AIDS and a carpet page from

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an illustrated manuscript, but it kind of

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gives it's actually yeah really extraordinary

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drawing. It's not this big and it contains like all of the things

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that we're kind of been talking about over the

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past few years

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Yeah, and I can share more on that with people are interested in

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terms of how maybe is actually going to work. There's a

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kind of

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Group, like set of different kind of autonomous working clusters

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with overlapping members supported by

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a shared infrastructure. So these clusters might

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be Project Specific or research trans specific or

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an evolving mixture of the two over time and also

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trying to acknowledge that some people just want to work with other people

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more than others like with we're not it's not

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just in this group that we're all like mutually excited by each other,

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but trying to make space for

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Yeah between difference and four difference

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in distinctiveness and that that will be the thing that creates.

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You know richness in in whatever it might be.

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Yeah, so AB will not have one voice or one way of doing

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things processes will be multiple and will be derived

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organically and autonomously through the actions of people working within the

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network.

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with the number of us

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in the network have been a part of other kind of architectural collectives

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and so learning from

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that. We really want to use this.

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this organization now to kind of

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think more carefully about multi-stakeholder and design

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and management and some of

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the references that we've been looking at which are really interesting

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is there's this group called neuromancers, which is

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a community exploring neurodiversity consisting of

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smaller kind of self-organized constellations focused on

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building relationships around particular experiences access is

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a subscription platform.

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That supports artists particularly like artistic social

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practice with insurance advocacy and

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opportunities.

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herbalists Without Borders is an international world

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globe Global International member network of herbalists

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that you pay is more subscription and

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you get covered by their public liability insurance for members, you

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know, no matter where you're working in whatever kind of

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conditions which is quite extraordinary and

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Yeah, we've been talking about basically.

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And using the fair share structure, which I

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don't know if anyone here knows about but it's a new

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form of kind of governance organizing for for shares,

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which is really interesting and also takes into

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consideration like users collaborators workers

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clients investors. So the

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users will also become a part of this kind of like stakeholder group

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as the organization moves forward.

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And the shared infrastructure

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in terms of financial resources that were developing is

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going to include Insurance shared subscriptions

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to computer programs basic Financial Administration welfare

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and Community wealth funds.

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and

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Feels like it's really important that.

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and maybe the non-institutional

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legitimization of framing research might not seem like

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I mean, we've kind of all been talking about research in many

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different guises here, but I think for a lot of people who are just like

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Political or thinking critically and you know doing carpentry or like

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working with kids. There's often not time or space

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or like permission to be able to like use to do

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that work in with respect to the quality

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of what they're bringing to it. So, yeah, I'm really excited to see

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how that can start to play out and

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and yeah, this was a

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is a

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series of maps of the Mississippi River as

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it moves over time and I think this element

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of time as well and timeliness has something that

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has been mentioned a few times this morning and is something that's

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I think is yeah is really

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important, especially when you're trying to be critical of a current situation

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and system and profession to think about

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like why that

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The technology is that led to a certain type of work being the

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kind of dominant form versus like where

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we are now and like how what would you do if you were starting with

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all of this other inherited kind of

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conceptual?

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like yeah

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history

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and

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I guess the question. Yeah a b and why

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is it called that and then comes

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from the concept ad testing and the

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idea of being able to practice alternatives to the current system and

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parallel with the status quo. And obviously that is normally a

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kind of binary test but the idea is the

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name is always written as AV with this kind of

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And underscore as a signal that this

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is not a binary situation, but continually open and my multi-dimensional

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that Alternatives can be

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conceived of as continuing to emerge in multiple ways continuing along

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different alphabets.

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Or even through non alphabetized language

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as well.

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So

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yeah, I wrote something recently about what architectures of

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what and there's in within some of the practices.

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I mentioned in this kind of movement towards different forms

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of more expanded forms of work. There's people

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like zero zero who talk about relation of

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architecture to software and Hardware Dark Matter forensic

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architecture talk about the architecture of Truth.

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and I think yeah ABA doesn't that

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I it's more about kind of trying to create

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a structure in a set of conditions for many different kind of

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yeah, and can architectural kind of research practice

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be a form of therapy if you're thinking about

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like

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Interacting with societal issues or can it be a practice

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of social science or can it be Auto Theory?

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So yeah, what are we doing at the

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moment? There's a number of different clusters that are emerging and

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00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:32,400
a few key projects alive the way

541
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,000
that clusters emerge and projects are kind of Being Framed is

542
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,200
not as problems, but as questions and then the

543
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,000
questions are a way of going into like

544
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,800
an infinite number of other questions

545
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:48,200
so one of these projects what

546
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,200
kind of lines of inquiry that has started and

547
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:55,400
the initial question was how do we create infrastructures for hospitality

548
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,100
and sanctuary?

549
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,100
yeah, working in partnership with the city of

550
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:06,000
sanctuary Sheffield, which is an amazing space and and kind

551
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,200
of advocacy service for refugees in

552
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,300
Asylum because in in Sheffield and it's kind

553
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:17,100
of in a design project looking at both their space and

554
00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:19,200
then also trying to think about

555
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:21,900
in a more expansive way.

556
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,200
How do we understand the current assignment system

557
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,300
Asylum system?

558
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:30,700
add something which has been you know is explicitly

559
00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,500
something that is described as

560
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:36,900
purposefully hostile and is you know

561
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:38,400
now being led by someone who's

562
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Lying about the reality of

563
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,100
the situation for people experiencing modern

564
00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:48,600
slavery and having like violent

565
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,200
dreams about sending people.

566
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
And so yeah, I

567
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:54,500
think

568
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:55,800
this

569
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:57,800
there's been a kind of like

570
00:28:59,500 --> 00:29:03,000
Series of work which is like gone in like basically specifically looking

571
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,500
at institutional accommodations. So finding out

572
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:09,100
where like all over the country. There's just like

573
00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:12,100
hotels everywhere that's just been booked out by the home office for the

574
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:15,300
last few years and trying to look at that as

575
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,400
I can kind of different system of like building typologies. Like where is

576
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:18,900
it actually kind of

577
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:22,400
Quite a good situation for people. Where is it? Like

578
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,700
Yeah, where is it actually?

579
00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:31,000
Not an ideal situation and using a kind of process and

580
00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:34,100
practice of your user stories, which we've been kind

581
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:35,500
of building up three different projects.

582
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:40,100
And another line of research is working

583
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,300
which is one that has come out of working with

584
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:45,800
the friends of the join his arms, which is a campaign group who've been

585
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,900
organizing for the past seven years around the gentrification

586
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:52,200
and closure of queer spaces in London after

587
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,600
being displaced by housing developers. They've

588
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,900
now crowdfunded

589
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:59,400
Resources to establish a new venue for queer

590
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,500
performance and we're working with them to develop a kind of delivery process

591
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,100
to co-design and construct the project with their

592
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:06,600
shareholders.

593
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,100
And yeah, I guess this there's a quote that we

594
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,300
were.

595
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:15,600
Inspired by this Bible hooks,

596
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,400
which is about queer not being about who you're

597
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,200
having sex with though that can be a dimension of it, but queer about

598
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:21,700
being it.

599
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,300
being about the self that is at odds with everything around

600
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,400
it and has to invent and create and find a place to speak and

601
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,000
to thrive and to live and I yeah, I personally

602
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:33,500
don't feel like it's

603
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,100
associated with I mean it's related to

604
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,400
sex but I think I mean, I'm sure a lot of people here have

605
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,500
already talked about this like feeling of like, you

606
00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:47,300
know, really having to find ways of carving out space in the world to

607
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:48,800
try and like find a way to

608
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:52,600
to live as particularly in this moment in time. And so

609
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,600
yeah the question that was guiding this kind of

610
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,400
research process is how do we reorient power through

611
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,800
design and delivery of construction projects?

612
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,100
And so we've produced the

613
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,500
chromosine that basically looks at the different elements of that and delivery and

614
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:10,500
construction how those things like care and

615
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,200
like language and process and how

616
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,400
we navigate the different kind of planning systems and documentations and

617
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,800
stuff like that and can be looked at

618
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,300
in a different way. And this process is also really

619
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:25,800
drawing on auto Theory

620
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,600
as a practice. So Auto theory is a is most

621
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,400
often identified with form of literature.

622
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,300
One where with his powerfully kind of challenge the traditional authority

623
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:39,400
of literary academic and theoretical knowledge

624
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,100
with their day-to-day experience and kind of weaves them together by combining

625
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,500
autobiographical information and

626
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,200
theory and it offers the

627
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,700
raising show like kind of yeah modes to

628
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,200
kind of shift and expand and reimagine the

629
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,100
course of our daily lives. So it feels this is kind of like a

630
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:59,400
method that we're trying to work through as we are.

631
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,300
developing this project

632
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:02,800
and

633
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,000
and it's something that we've also been trying to think about more broadly

634
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,500
in terms of like building narratives. It's something

635
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,700
again that's come up again today and telling stories

636
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:14,600
and

637
00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:17,400
How you can bring attention to different norms?

638
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,600
and understand it's like

639
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,600
the intricacies of the ways in which people are organizing and

640
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,500
living and working and

641
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,100
So one of the things that's also been feeding into a b

642
00:32:31,100 --> 00:32:31,900
as a kind of like Network.

643
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:37,800
Organization is a phase of kind of experiential research

644
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,100
that we understood last year looking at

645
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:43,700
working with communities engaged in the world building in

646
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:46,900
different very like locally specific contexts.

647
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:49,300
So yeah trying to

648
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,100
scope out implicit Norms by looking at them from

649
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:57,200
the perspective of like very different contexts and also

650
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,100
trying to

651
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:01,200
find where the gaps and the holes are that people find their ways in

652
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,400
to thinking out different ways of living or working or

653
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,600
educating each other.

654
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,100
So I'm gonna have some water this is

655
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:11,300
like

656
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:15,600
I actually didn't turn the timer on I just really how am

657
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,200
I doing now?

658
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:18,700
How am I doing?

659
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:19,900
Yeah.

660
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:27,800
Perfect. Okay,

661
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:28,200
cool.

662
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:29,600
Yeah, that's good.

663
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:32,400
So the third project.

664
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,300
that I wanted to mention and this is the one I'm going to spend the remainder of

665
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,400
the talk talking about is House of

666
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,500
anetta, which

667
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,300
is a way of trying to think the through how we design

668
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,300
projects to redress the imbalance and land distribution.

669
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:52,400
And so the project is a

670
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,800
collaboration between assemble and a B.

671
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,400
I guess I'm kind of using it as a stepping stone and then

672
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,400
it's yeah, it actually works

673
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400
for any well because historically when we've

674
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,300
set up new organizations and someone's kind of left to become the director

675
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:08,500
of that place or then like

676
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400
It's a way of kind of like supporting and nurturing something whilst also

677
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,400
still having a connection to an organization that has

678
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:15,900
a lot more.

679
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Stability and like infrastructure and you

680
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,100
know and you kind of like understand how it works.

681
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:24,100
So it's yeah, it's just really great to be doing it.

682
00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:25,000
together

683
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:27,600
Yeah.

684
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,900
And it's been quite.

685
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:33,200
anyway, I'll talk about that in a minute and

686
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:34,700
Yeah.

687
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:37,400
so the project is

688
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,400
I'm friends with Street, which is just a Brick Lane.

689
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,100
here

690
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:48,900
and

691
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:52,500
it's like I mean, it's just

692
00:34:53,300 --> 00:34:57,000
that yes, so it's just for those

693
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:58,300
of you who don't know. It's

694
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,500
yeah, East London.

695
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,500
North of the river just outside of the

696
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,600
city. You can kind of see the city like rising up

697
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,200
at the end of the street and and it's in this.

698
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,400
neighborhoods of kind of old

699
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,800
like early 18th century the

700
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,600
house was built in 1705 and houses.

701
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,300
And that were developed.

702
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:28,500
mainly for like kind of rich

703
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,100
Merchants like huguenotes coming from France fleeing

704
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:36,800
persecution when they changed the law about the

705
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,100
fact that yeah and

706
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,500
yeah, so

707
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,900
It's it's quite an extraordinary place.

708
00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:48,000
When you spend more time there and

709
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,000
understand the kind of

710
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,200
layers of different histories, and these kind

711
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,400
of like large Civic and

712
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,300
Spaces that's kind of

713
00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:04,700
based around like large kind of Victorian industrial

714
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:07,600
infrastructure. So you've

715
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,300
got like the goods yard at the top just like used to be a rail terminal

716
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,500
but the fruit and will exchange

717
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:16,700
this actually doesn't mention. Anyway, there's also a

718
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:19,400
bit for Market there and then this kind of stroke you

719
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,200
bit is the true memory

720
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:24,500
and this is a map made by the

721
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:27,000
saybreak lane campaign looking at all the kind of

722
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:29,400
large-scale development projects that happening in this area.

723
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:34,100
And there was actually I mean it's kind of this is

724
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:36,400
this is the city like creeping out

725
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,200
right on the edge of this that huge power

726
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,100
and and there was

727
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:45,900
over there's this there was like a this

728
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,700
like almost like a secret kind of initiative that

729
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,500
over the which they called like operation Glasgow because

730
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,500
it was a city expanding North where over the

731
00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:59,300
course of 20 years. They basically bought up all of these Parcels of

732
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:04,100
land where you can see this like orange thing there Norton

733
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:04,900
full gate and

734
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,100
Slowly over the over the years and then it became

735
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,800
this kind of like huge like development. So it says

736
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,200
it's yeah a space which is

737
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:17,300
always had quite like

738
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,900
yeah has been the kind of

739
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:21,200
I guess.

740
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,100
and

741
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:27,900
more often a kind of

742
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:30,100
place of like independent

743
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:34,800
shops and like working class activity and quite industrial

744
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,400
has these like layers of

745
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,900
colonial history in terms like the way that the the spaces also

746
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,100
been developed and famously has been

747
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:47,600
a place where waves of different kind of migration have have

748
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,700
found a home. So there's like the Hugo nose and those

749
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,400
a period of time and there's a lot of Jewish people living

750
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,000
around there and then more recently at the end of the

751
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,100
21st

752
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:04,400
20th century and a lot of Bengali

753
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:07,700
people came over at the end of

754
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:11,900
when yeah.

755
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:16,000
when the empire was was ending and

756
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:19,300
so

757
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:24,000
I guess yeah, then now there's this kind of more recent Trend

758
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:27,000
where there's this kind of gutting of a

759
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:28,300
lot of these large spaces.

760
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:34,300
not for people necessarily to move into but it

761
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:38,300
was mainly for kind of capital to to

762
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:40,000
thrive

763
00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:43,800
and over the past 40 years the area particularly

764
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,300
where we are has gone from having like leather factories in

765
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:46,500
the top.

766
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,400
like a lot of their Relic houses into very

767
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,100
gentrified area with like huge kind of private homes

768
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:54,500
and

769
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,200
and

770
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,300
yeah, so we've it's the biggest house in

771
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:00,800
the street. It's

772
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,400
got basement and four floors, and it's

773
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,300
very beautiful building and we were

774
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:08,500
approached by.

775
00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:14,100
Basically assemble was approached by an organization

776
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:17,000
called the Edith Marion foundation in

777
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,900
2019.

778
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,300
To basically with the house and to say

779
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:25,600
like what do we do with it? And they're really fascinating

780
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,300
organization because they were set up by some students

781
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,200
of Rudolph Steiner as a kind

782
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,600
of like exercise of trying to think like what the world needed and their answer

783
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,300
was oh, we need some kind of mechanism for holding land and

784
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:40,400
property away from Market speculation to the commodify

785
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,300
it and so they've been operating for 30 years

786
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,800
and they've got over a hundred different projects around Europe.

787
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:50,300
Which they take quite a hands off approach to you, but

788
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:53,500
just kind of like we'll never sell this offers them kind of

789
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,600
long-term security and yeah the

790
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,400
importance about land and property

791
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,300
and Security in relation to that is something which has been

792
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:03,200
a huge.

793
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:07,700
And ever present like factor in the work that we've been

794
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:11,600
I was ever doing and as assembled so this is yeah in

795
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,200
Glasgow when we did builtic Street thinking about

796
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,300
you know, how to secure that space and who has access

797
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,900
to what and then also with the community and Trust in Liverpool.

798
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:26,500
and this is also in The Hague and where we opened up

799
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:26,600
the

800
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,200
former US Embassy as a space kind of Arts platform and

801
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,100
experimental space for people affected by the migration system

802
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:35,900
there so,

803
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,500
it felt like this was a really

804
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:40,000
you know.

805
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:44,400
incredible opportunity and we propose to basically kind of work in

806
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,000
residency in the house as we had done in other

807
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,900
projects before and try and use our

808
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:52,900
time in the space to basically kind of

809
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,700
open it up and build a kind of I guess

810
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:00,600
this build social relations around

811
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,200
the project and and conversation and the kind

812
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,100
of culture from occupying the space and seeing how that unfolded.

813
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:08,400
And so this is the house.

814
00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:12,200
It's quite dramatic and in the very beautiful state if any of

815
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:12,700
you in London.

816
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,000
From Thursday, please. Get in touch come and see

817
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:18,500
it. It's really amazing place.

818
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:19,500
and

819
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:23,700
yeah, so yeah, this

820
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:23,700
is

821
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,200
yeah, it's

822
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:30,100
And and while being there, I mean,

823
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:33,900
I guess earlier the time we've done been occupying it and

824
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:36,200
cleaning up organizing things

825
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,400
to happen in it. Oh, yeah and

826
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:44,200
trying more than organizing so just

827
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,700
facilitate and so not like, you

828
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,400
know, we're not taking active role and necessarily saying

829
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,300
what should happen in it unless it's in response to something

830
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:54,500
particular from the house.

831
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,200
and so whilst we've

832
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,700
been in the house, we also have had some this completely

833
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:03,900
incredible experience of

834
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:10,300
yeah getting to know and that's pedroetti who was living

835
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:11,600
in the house for 38 years

836
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,300
and

837
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,300
Up until the point when she passed away and then the house

838
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,700
was given and to the foundation by

839
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:22,300
her family who here in

840
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,700
Switzerland and she was yeah. She was Swiss and

841
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,500
But yeah, we didn't know anything about her before we before we

842
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,200
got in the house and I'd never heard of cybernetics before

843
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,900
then, but she was yeah an amazing

844
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:39,700
woman who was doing so many things in the

845
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,600
house. She set up this printing press and

846
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,400
she was publishing books really beautiful.

847
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:49,500
Really beautiful Publications under the name principal editions.

848
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,700
And yeah, there's

849
00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:55,100
lots of

850
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:58,100
really fascinating and sometimes quite hard to

851
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:01,800
grasp for me and different things relating

852
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,800
to mathematics and language and cybernetics and design Theory.

853
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,200
And actually what's been really amazing about being here

854
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,000
as well. As a lot of the books are made as a kind

855
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:16,700
of like a conversational feedback process and some

856
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,100
of them were produced as a response to

857
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:23,500
your during the American Society

858
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,000
for cybernetics conferences. And so

859
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:28,500
it's quite interesting because I've seen the books. I've

860
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:31,600
seen some of the footage from those events and so being here today. It's

861
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,600
been like a little bit

862
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,400
the kind of flavor of that which has been really nice and

863
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:38,100
and

864
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:45,000
yeah, she anata called them living books and the

865
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,100
idea.

866
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,400
being that there was an exchange which would often be a process

867
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,200
LED production of the book by more than one person

868
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,300
and that took many different forms,

869
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,500
but then there was an intention that potentially

870
00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:01,100
the conversation would continue and that these these books

871
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:04,200
would continue to expand and some of them were much more

872
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,100
experimental than others like

873
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,000
to be worn as outfits or to be refolded in

874
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,500
the narrative changes or to exist

875
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,800
as a huge role of paper that is quite difficult to

876
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,500
interact with and

877
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:21,300
yeah, so during the time of

878
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,900
like reading bits and pieces and and learning

879
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,900
more and more about anetta I guess we've started

880
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:31,300
to do this kind of social context study, like

881
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,400
understanding the theoretical landscape of cybernetics and

882
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,000
trying to be able to like

883
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:39,300
like share that amongst the people who are working on the project or using the

884
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:41,100
house and and

885
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,800
that led us thinking more towards. Yeah, I

886
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,900
guess thinking about actor Network Theory which has

887
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:51,500
been a really interesting way into thinking

888
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:54,300
about like how we're experiencing the space because it really feels like

889
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:58,300
And that's always you know, she was publishing books. She

890
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:01,300
was making films in the house. She was doing lots of local

891
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:04,100
campaigning. She was basically rebuilding the house a lot

892
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:08,400
of it by herself like doing the craft and with

893
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,500
her in hands. Apparently, she had like really incredible hands

894
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:10,900
and

895
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:12,300
and

896
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,400
she's doing beekeeping and there's this kind

897
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,300
of like mostly layered.

898
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:21,300
Jigsaw puzzle that as you are in

899
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:24,500
the house and a lot of it's like, you know, there's just like piles of stuff everywhere and

900
00:45:24,500 --> 00:45:27,500
slowly like things kind of unfold around you and you find

901
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,300
something and that leads you to a person and then you have a conversation that is used

902
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:33,200
another object. And this thing has you know, is this kind of

903
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,500
extraordinary web and often things have happened or unfolded where?

904
00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:40,400
You feel like she's kind of yeah set things

905
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,500
in motion like decades ago and we're kind of like now finding

906
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:46,400
these things and links and what's also amazing is

907
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,700
that you know, so many of the ideas as I said earlier are things

908
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:52,300
that we were already practicing with and talking about a lot

909
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:55,100
but we just didn't know any of the language around that we

910
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:58,500
didn't know like about cybernetics existing or like this

911
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,600
material so it's been yeah, sometimes just completely. Yeah

912
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,600
quite

913
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:05,900
And just amazing.

914
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200
and like experience one of the other things that we're

915
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,600
doing is this is some images of making a

916
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:12,800
kind of

917
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:14,800
I guess.

918
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,100
Artistic kind of cybernetic interpretation of

919
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:21,700
the house as an archive. So it will be on the website that people

920
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:24,400
can then explore and like access a lot of the ideas and some

921
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,300
of the content remotely because you know, everyone can

922
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:30,500
come to London but there's just so many so much richness and

923
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,600
that's the kind of overlay of like both things projects and

924
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,300
that was working on and also kind of architectural features that

925
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:37,900
were being made in the house and

926
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,200
And yeah, one of the things coming up this week is that we're going to be making a kind

927
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,300
of actor Network Theory treasure hunt.

928
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,300
with the support of land in our names which is a really incredible organization

929
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:52,100
recommend

930
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:54,700
looking them up and who do a

931
00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:57,700
lot of around a lot of work advocating around access of

932
00:46:57,700 --> 00:46:59,700
black communities to land and

933
00:47:00,700 --> 00:47:03,600
and Countryside in Britain and something

934
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,200
else that we did recently which was there was

935
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,700
a book one of the books anetta printed was

936
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:10,300
designing.

937
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:14,700
And designing society, which is a publication.

938
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:18,600
It's also available. You can get it online from

939
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,400
which was made from Mary

940
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,700
Anne Boone making a presentation about running a

941
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:26,300
course called school for Designing society and then the kind of

942
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:29,600
paper that she presented at the American cybernetic conference. And

943
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,300
anyway this book

944
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,300
led to

945
00:47:32,700 --> 00:47:35,100
a series of letters and some conversations and then

946
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:38,800
eventually the kind of birth of the school for Designing society, which has

947
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,600
been running in Philadelphia since early 1990s. It's

948
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,600
kind of itinerant.

949
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,700
Quite different I think on different years and yeah summer

950
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:49,200
school. And so we we ran the

951
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,100
first one in the UK and as a way of trying to like, I

952
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:55,600
guess explore some of the conversations that

953
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,700
were being haven't had in that book at this

954
00:47:58,700 --> 00:48:02,000
moment now and with a different group of people, they're more

955
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,500
connected to the space and

956
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,200
these kind of

957
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,700
relations between objects and people also

958
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:12,200
is happening through digital objects. So this

959
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,200
was a an attitude this amazing.

960
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:16,300
kind of

961
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:20,800
project. I guess like Community project

962
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,600
and which was the question of what would a

963
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,100
flag for a Multicultural Society look like is kind of

964
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,100
an iterative process of

965
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,500
Working together to make flags and which she then

966
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:35,200
hung in the market and took to lots of

967
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,300
different than other locations. Anyway, the person

968
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,200
who is making the cybernetic house the digital version also made us

969
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,400
this flag for the website, which was a kind of translation of

970
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,500
a lot of the flags that we had found in the house and then someone who

971
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,100
had just seen it online made us made us

972
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,500
the real version. So now hangs outside

973
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,300
the house for me have events and has also spurred

974
00:48:56,300 --> 00:49:00,100
on other activities to happen around the flag mating vladmaking and

975
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:03,300
we're compiling yeah

976
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,300
film trying to use

977
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:08,300
letters camera to document different things

978
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:11,500
happening in the house and there's a lot of different elements

979
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,400
in terms of like the design of the space like this is the door

980
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:14,900
knocker on the left.

981
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:18,300
Which takes pieces of annetta's and

982
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:23,000
drawings and also yeah

983
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,700
kind of notes from her beekeeping

984
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:28,100
journals and then some of the market tree work

985
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,900
that she was making replacing the wooden panels in the house and

986
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:34,700
it's inspiring kind of I guess.

987
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:37,100
Yeah, and I kind of exploration of

988
00:49:37,100 --> 00:49:37,300
what

989
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,200
furniture that invites feedback might look like

990
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:44,600
Yeah.

991
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,900
feedback, there's many different ways that we've been trying to think

992
00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:52,300
about integrating that into the process so that

993
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:55,700
the house really, you know, this kind of idea of cybernetic architecture

994
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:58,300
isn't just about the kind of whatever is

995
00:49:58,300 --> 00:50:01,300
this kind of solid state of the thing that goes

996
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:04,400
through planning and gets made but also how we're arranging

997
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,900
the organization and thinking about the building of the culture and so

998
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:10,500
yeah, I've been trying doing this kind of user stories

999
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:13,400
process and also kind of regular or

1000
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,700
It's fairly regular and feedback from

1001
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:20,800
the team, which is been really

1002
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,500
useful as a kind of iterative process, but

1003
00:50:23,500 --> 00:50:26,900
is just it's quite hard to get to.

1004
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,200
sometimes forget to the really the Deep stuff

1005
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,000
that you need to get to and then and yeah, so it's not

1006
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:35,300
It's not.

1007
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Yeah, there's still lots of things. We need to really work on

1008
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:39,800
and

1009
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:42,500
yeah, I guess this idea of

1010
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,600
culture as fractal with something. I wanted to talk about and

1011
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,200
or like how we're thinking about building a system of

1012
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,300
cultural. How does the systems we're using relate to what

1013
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:55,400
might be a culture in the space and something which

1014
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,200
I've been thinking about more and more is this idea of

1015
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,700
yeah the architecture of absence so making sure that you're

1016
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,400
explicitly

1017
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,400
not making space for certain people

1018
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,100
or your explicitly targeting other people as a

1019
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:12,900
way of creating kind of separatist status so that there's this spaciousness

1020
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,300
allowed for people that you

1021
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:16,800
know without having to like navigate.

1022
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:20,300
and gendered or racial and

1023
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:24,500
Dynamics which can provide different forms of being or

1024
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:26,400
different ways of like thinking through ideas.

1025
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:27,300
and

1026
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:32,400
yeah, I guess another similarity in terms of like in order

1027
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,500
to create a space where lots of things overlapping they need to be distinct. So

1028
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:38,900
to make sure that there's a mixture of those things one of

1029
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:41,400
annetta's friends Steven what there's a

1030
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,700
poet he told us that we needed to unfinish the house.

1031
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:47,300
And so that's the kind of also constant kind of thing in our

1032
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,200
mind and especially with the kind of the

1033
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:53,300
built fabric of the built as you saw it. It's like, you know,

1034
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:56,200
you can read the like three two hundred 295 years

1035
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:56,700
worth of

1036
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,600
patient and like Fabric and in that place and so

1037
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:01,800
it's really

1038
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:07,000
yeah feels really important to try and like maintain that where where

1039
00:52:06,100 --> 00:52:09,100
we can as we go through the project.

1040
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:13,100
And yeah, trying to think about fermentation, I

1041
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:16,400
guess also again not trying to create a

1042
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,300
situation where people feel like they have to necessarily behave in a

1043
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:22,400
certain way or like relate to us as kind of as an institution.

1044
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,200
So then drawing to not have a lot

1045
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,400
of the kind of things you might have in a kind of institution, but

1046
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,300
then it's a very difficult line to balance because you know, people

1047
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:34,100
also need to build understand what's going on and things need to be

1048
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:38,000
clear and safe. And so yeah, we're still finding that

1049
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,300
line.

1050
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:44,300
And we've been doing some work with something meditation which something I'm

1051
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:48,300
really into. I don't know if people know about pulling Oliveira's

1052
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:48,800
and

1053
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:53,300
kind of collective practice of it actually

1054
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:54,700
came out of her and

1055
00:52:56,700 --> 00:53:00,400
Of her frustration at the Auntie

1056
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,800
war and movement against

1057
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,200
yeah the Vietnamese or

1058
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,400
you know more and in the US and it was

1059
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,200
a way of like trying to be in solidarity and

1060
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,900
be together and like he's building what's

1061
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:17,800
still being you know, the other side of the world and it's

1062
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,100
also interestingly. She's a kind of

1063
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:23,100
haven't got electronic musician and that this was a practice

1064
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:23,800
that she moved towards

1065
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,700
And later on in her life, and that was really amazing because

1066
00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:30,800
it's that also this idea of this disintegration of like the

1067
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,300
performer and the audience like removing that

1068
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:36,100
because everyone is both and so yeah, we've been

1069
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:39,100
doing that in the house and around the area as a way. It

1070
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:43,300
was also trying to understand the space and also to try and like yeah engage

1071
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:46,000
with it in in a different way and also

1072
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,000
Yeah thinking about.

1073
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,200
the reasons why architectural practices and

1074
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,500
design is kind of access Centric and you know, if there are

1075
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:58,500
different ways of of working that can open up other ways

1076
00:53:58,500 --> 00:53:59,400
of seeing and

1077
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,200
this

1078
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:05,800
was I just wanted to share with you annetta invented

1079
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,400
this I guess in terms of thinking about culture and

1080
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,400
how the relation between like small actions or

1081
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,500
ideas around like language or boundaries can kind

1082
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:17,400
of also build up to other forms of practice or relation

1083
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,400
to being in the world or in the house and she

1084
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,100
also develops like a whole new way of beekeeping which

1085
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,200
was based on building these hives which these

1086
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,500
kind of huge but pretty big for hives

1087
00:54:29,500 --> 00:54:31,900
and structures and

1088
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,400
which

1089
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,400
we assume related to her kind

1090
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,300
of also cybernetic interests, but we don't we

1091
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:41,500
haven't

1092
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,100
You know to verify that because none of us are kind of

1093
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,200
knowledgeable enough. So yeah, if anyone wants to look into that.

1094
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:50,300
let me know and

1095
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,800
meaning making this was something that yeah, Sophie

1096
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,400
and I have talked about and it

1097
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,800
feels like the kind of least resolved or

1098
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,500
the least kind of thought through but feels important as

1099
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:07,400
well and nonetheless that there are kind of

1100
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,500
acknowledging and thinking about these different layers of meaning making and that

1101
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:13,400
sometimes that meaning-making is also

1102
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,300
involving community that might not even you know,

1103
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:19,500
they just happen to live on the street, you know, it's not really a volunteering, you

1104
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:23,200
know, it's just the complexities of how

1105
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,600
those things intercept with other with people's

1106
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,500
like lives day today and it's something

1107
00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:28,700
that

1108
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Yeah, we're still trying to think through particularly at

1109
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,300
this moment. We're coming to the end of the year. We're going to be doing like

1110
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:38,200
thinking about what's happened and what will happen and the house

1111
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,200
is got lots of holes and has no insulation. So it's

1112
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,900
quite seasonal space. So we're going to go into hibernation in the

1113
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:46,000
in the winter.

1114
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,000
And yeah, and then the last

1115
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:51,700
system

1116
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Interaction assistant I wanted to talk about was about

1117
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,400
spatial Justice and guess that

1118
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,000
was our original intention when we like first got

1119
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:04,500
to the house and then it understanding and letters

1120
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,200
intellectual landscape has added a whole

1121
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:07,400
new.

1122
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,800
world to it, but we're still really Keen that the house can and

1123
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,500
be used as a kind of resource and

1124
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,900
yeah an asset to stand.

1125
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,200
For and with those that are affected by issues of

1126
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,800
special and Justice because it's just like the odds are stack so high

1127
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,900
against everyone. So yeah,

1128
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:34,600
I guess that's we're doing that on many different levels. So one is

1129
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,400
the neta's trust is the charity that

1130
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,300
we're setting up to take on the lease for the building and there

1131
00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:43,400
was an idea that this would

1132
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,400
be you know, something akin to the National Trust but rather than being for

1133
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:46,600
like

1134
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,100
it's by Keely spiky Lance on the

1135
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:54,000
seat, you know, you get actually people using the buildings and to kind

1136
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,100
of extend the Edith Marion foundations kind of agenda that

1137
00:56:57,100 --> 00:57:00,200
like in the UK because they're not really interested in

1138
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,200
continuing to expand forever. They've kind of reached their

1139
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,800
capacity and the

1140
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,300
The legal system here is also like significantly different to

1141
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,700
land and then property in.

1142
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,300
In the countries where they're working. So anyway, they're really supportive of that. And I

1143
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:20,300
think the conversation has gone from this idea of a national thing to actually

1144
00:57:20,300 --> 00:57:23,500
an idea of like really actually just trying

1145
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:26,600
to connect with a lot of the other like in new

1146
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,700
land trusts that being set up around the country, which is really exciting.

1147
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:33,300
It feels like there is like really a kind of movement like bubbling

1148
00:57:32,300 --> 00:57:35,200
away at the moment in terms of both community and

1149
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,600
trusts land trusts around like specific forms

1150
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,900
of use and yeah, so

1151
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:42,900
just to try and like

1152
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Make it a more like networked.

1153
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,100
approach because it feels like they can't be

1154
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,300
too much of that and let's say

1155
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:52,100
there are trustees.

1156
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:56,400
The second there are social justice is I guess yeah trying

1157
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,100
to create a building that has resources that can be

1158
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:04,100
offered to people who are doing campaigning or education

1159
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:08,100
in relation to anti-identification or

1160
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:12,200
like community and let's projects

1161
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,200
and these are

1162
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,100
some of the things that annetta was involved with so collecting.

1163
00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:22,300
petition real-life petition and some yeah

1164
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:23,300
anti-cross real

1165
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,900
Work which is interesting that she's like very well

1166
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:31,600
until recently. You couldn't really find she wasn't

1167
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,300
really on the internet so much but one of the things you could find

1168
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:34,900
was her.

1169
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:38,700
Presenting to the House of

1170
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:42,400
Commons about and there's an inquiry into representations

1171
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,100
around like where the crossroad which is

1172
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:47,500
I can you train extension and was

1173
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:50,200
going to be built was going to be running underneath their street

1174
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,700
and she's you can read

1175
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:56,300
all the minutes and it's interesting. She says in the minute she

1176
00:58:56,300 --> 00:58:56,600
says, you know,

1177
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,400
this is a kind of fast of democracy because the

1178
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,500
only reason why I'm allowed to stand here talking in this

1179
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:07,200
space to you about what's going to happen to my home is because I

1180
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,300
own it not because I you know, if I did if I work

1181
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:13,500
there if I rented a then it wouldn't you know, I wouldn't

1182
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:16,300
have that right? So it feels

1183
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:18,100
like she was also yeah.

1184
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,400
Consciously engaging with a lot of the stuff that we're also trying

1185
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,300
to think about. Yeah, so the space

1186
00:59:25,300 --> 00:59:25,600
is kind of

1187
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:30,500
facilitated some local campaigns around saving Brook

1188
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:30,700
Lane

1189
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,200
which yeah, I kind of

1190
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,300
ongoing and

1191
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,700
and the Third Way is a kind

1192
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:42,600
of embodiment through the use of the building.

1193
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:46,600
To provide access for free to those who wouldn't otherwise

1194
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,900
have space or property

1195
00:59:49,900 --> 00:59:51,700
to use. Yeah.

1196
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:55,300
In that way and kind of experimentally or for

1197
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:56,000
like larger gatherings.

1198
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:59,200
and so that's been happening over the

1199
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,400
last couple of years with different food events and talks and

1200
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,200
workshops and

1201
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:07,200
and then

1202
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,500
it feels and this yeah, I guess this one is like not

1203
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:15,900
hasn't really started so much we did and

1204
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,300
yeah, thinking about the idea of like a revenue

1205
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:23,600
model for and experimental space that

1206
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,600
is trying to think about special Justice differently

1207
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:27,500
like would

1208
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,200
Be good if it wasn't just based on like

1209
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,200
extractive rent for the space itself. So then trying to

1210
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,500
think about different forms of economic modeling. And

1211
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:40,400
yeah, that's something that we ran like

1212
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,400
a kind of knowledge building process over like the course of last year,

1213
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,000
but it's

1214
01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:47,800
Kind of an ice at the moment because it feels like it's quite a long way off.

1215
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:54,300
Yeah, and then the last part of that is the for the

1216
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:57,600
design and construction of the house to be used as a kind of

1217
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,400
expansive educational process and

1218
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,500
for women and people of color communities of

1219
01:01:05,500 --> 01:01:08,600
yeah people who are normally underrepresented in

1220
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,700
construction and craft construction and because to

1221
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:14,300
try and yeah continue and that is legacy of

1222
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,500
like really doing really extraordinary quality

1223
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:19,500
of of work herself, so she's kind of

1224
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,800
And hand routing all the spindles and she

1225
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,500
lived in the house for two years without windows and then was remaking

1226
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:29,500
all the frames. This is a kind of like Garden space

1227
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:30,200
like and

1228
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:31,900
She built.

1229
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:34,600
it's for

1230
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,300
and that process is kind of started. I

1231
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:41,300
mean, so the house in its current state is

1232
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:44,200
only really habitable or like accessible for the

1233
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,500
public on the ground and first floor.

1234
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,300
The floor is just either don't have stairs or they have a hole in

1235
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:52,300
the floor or it's just like full of wood that she

1236
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:55,100
had been gathering over time. And so we've just been

1237
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:58,400
doing and we don't have a lot of money. We're trying to like negotiate with

1238
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,100
basically the more money. We borrow from the Edith Maryland

1239
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:02,200
Foundation the more money we

1240
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:06,600
Even as a kind of yield so we're trying

1241
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,200
to do up the building through grant funding and which

1242
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,900
would then mean that all of the other kind of experimental ideas

1243
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:16,400
could really take hold. So yeah,

1244
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,200
we're currently trying to like do fundraising through the

1245
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,300
Heritage Lottery fund which is going to be pretty tricky I

1246
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:26,300
think because the way in which we really want to do is by having

1247
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:28,100
this very kind of slow.

1248
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:35,900
Yeah, so and educational educationally

1249
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:37,900
focused like process of

1250
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:40,000
people learning craft skills and kind of

1251
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,400
working draw by floor renovating the building but also for

1252
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:44,900
it not just to be about like the

1253
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,500
People using their hands, but in order to

1254
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:52,300
kind of in the way that anetta was marrying both that

1255
01:02:52,300 --> 01:02:56,300
kind of like physical labor with this amazing like intellectual expense

1256
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:58,300
and to have like

1257
01:02:58,300 --> 01:02:58,900
critical.

1258
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,500
Conversation and like a program of of kind

1259
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:06,000
of political and social and inquiry alongside.

1260
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,000
Yeah, they're like like

1261
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:10,300
trades I guess.

1262
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:12,400
And yeah.

1263
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,100
So I think I wanna I did have

1264
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:18,000
a couple of things. I wanted to say at the end.

1265
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:19,800
I was really

1266
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:23,200
Inspired by The Talk this morning,

1267
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:28,400
why'd you buy lots of the talks? Thank you. But I

1268
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,800
think if Sophia was here, we would have done it would

1269
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,800
have been more music and like maybe some dancing but

1270
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,500
as I just instead chose to

1271
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:38,100
focus on Staring at

1272
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,500
Paper for it an hour and I

1273
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:44,700
just wanted to invite given open

1274
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:47,300
invitation that because I'm going to be here till Sunday

1275
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:50,300
and I'm sure that's what other people are too that if anyone wanted

1276
01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:53,800
to do some Sonic meditations

1277
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,500
at some point maybe in the evening go for

1278
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:59,500
a walk and yeah go down

1279
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:02,600
to the CEOs and I didn't know you can go anywhere. But yeah, just

1280
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:06,000
come and say hi, and maybe we can make a plan and

1281
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:08,000
Yeah. Thanks for listening.

1282
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:20,300
Oh, yeah.

1283
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:28,600
Yeah, you want to

1284
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:28,900
sit down?

1285
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,600
Okay, thank you. I think

1286
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,500
in terms of the conference theme the possibilities and practices

1287
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:38,000
the systemic design, I think.

1288
01:04:38,900 --> 01:04:41,500
You're you'll talk really spoke to that. So thank you and it's

1289
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:44,400
just so excited beautiful and it's

1290
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,000
great to hear.

1291
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,400
All of your yeah all of your work.

1292
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,600
Thanks for sharing it and questions.

1293
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:53,300
I think we could probably talk for.

1294
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:56,900
ever about this, but let's start with

1295
01:04:58,700 --> 01:04:59,400
would you?

1296
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,700
Thank you. Thank you for such an amazing and inspiring

1297
01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:15,200
talk as Sally sedimentary there could

1298
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,300
be so many so many questions. I guess the one on top of my mind

1299
01:05:18,300 --> 01:05:21,200
is wondering about you know, how do

1300
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,500
you negotiate that tension of working with the space

1301
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,600
that has a history and that was something and then imagine the

1302
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,200
possibilities of what it could be instead of,

1303
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,300
you know, what goes into that process of sort

1304
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:36,500
of what was and what could be which I

1305
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:39,000
imagine is probably very interesting. Thank you.

1306
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,500
Yeah, it's a

1307
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:46,000
good question. And I think what's interesting about

1308
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,400
it. Well, so really close

1309
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,800
to

1310
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:54,300
where we are is there's an organization called The

1311
01:05:54,300 --> 01:05:57,400
Society for the protection of ancient buildings, which was

1312
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,400
set up in by William Morris at the end of the 18th century.

1313
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,300
And and yeah, he has a really good quote about

1314
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,900
like not I can't hear something about like bringing zombies back

1315
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:09,600
from the dead or something, you know this idea of like the Pastiche of

1316
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,600
like going back to yeah as

1317
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,100
a way of like making the real thing and we're not

1318
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:16,600
interested in that at all, and I think

1319
01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:21,100
particularly because you know and that's a Huds has

1320
01:06:21,100 --> 01:06:21,400
kind of

1321
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:23,700
stripped the house basically the house.

1322
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:27,900
was built as a single and yeah large

1323
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,400
kind of home to a wealthy Merchant and

1324
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,200
then during the early 20th

1325
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,000
century. It was

1326
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,200
turned into like different flats and and then

1327
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,700
at some point there was a fire and then people weren't living anyone and then to we

1328
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:47,800
think inherited some money somehow managed to

1329
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:48,500
buy it and

1330
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:49,800
and

1331
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,800
Yeah, so she had actually stripped out a lot of the

1332
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,000
kind of previous Fabrics who can't really see and like

1333
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,000
a lot of what would have been there before.

1334
01:07:01,700 --> 01:07:04,400
and then she's also added her own stuff and in a

1335
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,500
very kind of like particular way that was not like the bare

1336
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:09,500
minimum at all that you saw that market tree like that's

1337
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:10,500
Yeah.

1338
01:07:11,300 --> 01:07:14,400
Really stunning and would have originally just been like totally playing

1339
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,400
panels. So it's quite nice to have

1340
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:17,800
this.

1341
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,300
You know kind of palette of different things where

1342
01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:24,600
there's like the historic fabric. There's the

1343
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,200
kind of damaged historic fabric. There's like a

1344
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,400
netta's additions and then there's like a lot of holes and things

1345
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,100
that make the space not that usable which we kind of need to

1346
01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:37,100
address in order for people to be able to yeah, and yeah

1347
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:40,800
occupy it and so I

1348
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,000
think

1349
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:45,300
Yeah, there's a scent. I mean people get really emotional about it. We

1350
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:48,200
have some ideas about what we want to do. But I've had people like

1351
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,300
swear at me on the street where I talk about like not getting

1352
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:54,900
rid of like a cupboard in the corner or something like they get really people get

1353
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:55,600
really upset and

1354
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,700
so yeah, I think it's going to be a kind of like

1355
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,900
Patchwork and idea of

1356
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,800
trying to maintain as much as possible whilst enabling

1357
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,400
like

1358
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:12,200
The building to be used in a really Lively way

1359
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,600
and if we are making like new insertions, then

1360
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,700
we're doing some kind of material experimentation and

1361
01:08:18,700 --> 01:08:21,100
testing looking at like material reuse and

1362
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:24,200
waste material and Brick Lane and how you might translate that into

1363
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:25,000
kind of heritage.

1364
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:28,800
And methodologies or like yeah processes.

1365
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:29,600
It's kind of

1366
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:32,700
a new Twist on things. So yeah.

1367
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:40,200
You follow basically. Yeah, it's

1368
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,500
great too. Yeah.

1369
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:47,300
No, it's actually more detailed than that.

1370
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:50,500
The whole thing is listed, but then you get like a Heritage impact

1371
01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:53,300
report assessment and they basically say which things

1372
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:56,500
are of Heritage value or not. And basically, you know,

1373
01:08:56,500 --> 01:08:58,000
it's just depends it kind of depends on

1374
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:02,700
How old things are but also yeah significantly all

1375
01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:05,700
of the stuff that they're built has zero Heritage

1376
01:09:05,700 --> 01:09:07,900
significance for the people who do the assessment.

1377
01:09:09,100 --> 01:09:11,800
I mean that doesn't mean yeah, we still have our own opinion on it.

1378
01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:19,500
and you started with

1379
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,500
one of your starting points was about property developers,

1380
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:26,800
right and how they are basically looking into maximizing revenues

1381
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,100
as the main the main point

1382
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:32,200
and I saw your presentation also a bit as a

1383
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:36,000
Counterpoint to that right? So I'm

1384
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,600
wondering about your thoughts on the term

1385
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:39,600
placemaking.

1386
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:43,600
I think that's one way that you could describe what

1387
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,400
you're doing. Right like or Reviving The History of a place

1388
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:47,200
or giving a place.

1389
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:52,400
The new meaning but of course, it's also used

1390
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,100
by certain people right to to create destinations

1391
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:58,500
and then this in a way of selling a

1392
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:02,000
place right? So I'm wondering what you think if if

1393
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,000
that is just another evil capitalist thing

1394
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,300
to sell something or if that could

1395
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:11,200
actually be a bit of a middle ground between property developers

1396
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,500
and

1397
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:13,700
What you're doing?

1398
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,100
I mean, I think it is.

1399
01:10:19,300 --> 01:10:22,400
I think as with a lot of the language that

1400
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,100
is related to anything to do with development. And

1401
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,400
or

1402
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:31,200
movement space whether that's advertising or you know that people

1403
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,700
sell houses and

1404
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:35,800
Is you know is things get?

1405
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,400
some things have bad connotations because they deserve that doesn't mean

1406
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,600
that you couldn't use it in a context and it would be meaningful to

1407
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,100
use the words Place making I mean,

1408
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:49,400
I wouldn't necessarily use it myself, but because I

1409
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,200
mean as you said, you know this implication that it was not a place before

1410
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,600
it's kind of ridiculous, but

1411
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,200
Yeah, but I think that doesn't mean that.

1412
01:10:58,600 --> 01:10:59,700
It's inherently a bad.

1413
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,800
Term to use and yeah.

1414
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:09,100
any questions on Zoom, please just pop them

1415
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:10,300
in the chat and we'll

1416
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,400
extract them

1417
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:16,900
Okay.

1418
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:21,100
With questions on Zoom. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

1419
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:24,100
Okay, so thanks for yeah, really

1420
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:28,400
really interesting. I want to ask, you know, there's that um that Jane Jacobs

1421
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,200
quote that's like new ideas must use

1422
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,000
old buildings.

1423
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:34,300
And I was interested in like how this kind of do you

1424
01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:37,600
think as an architect because I mean at least like, you know, I'm coming I'm

1425
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,500
a designer and often it's about essentially starting again

1426
01:11:40,500 --> 01:11:43,800
with everything like the assumption is that to do anything good. We've got

1427
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,200
to throw away all of the previous stuff and it

1428
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,300
seems that like, you're kind of most like staying

1429
01:11:49,300 --> 01:11:52,700
with the trouble if you like in a way of like Matilda said

1430
01:11:52,700 --> 01:11:55,800
earlier almost like making like working with the

1431
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,300
existing kind of thing and then and then trying

1432
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:01,500
to almost like do something new with it. Well not destroying what

1433
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:04,600
made it good in the first place. How does

1434
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,000
that affect like your workers as an architect? Like

1435
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:10,600
how do you kind of resolve that sort of new and old?

1436
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:14,300
Sort of aspects because this is like quite a strong statement of saying like work

1437
01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:16,100
with things. Don't try and smash them.

1438
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,500
Quite a lot of people who are working in this way, but there's basically

1439
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:23,300
like huge incentives not to not just because it's

1440
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:25,500
obviously more expensive and more time.

1441
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,400
Heavy to be like dealing with the intricacies or

1442
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,500
something which already exists rather than just deleting it. But you

1443
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:34,500
know the some of the slides I showed about the

1444
01:12:36,700 --> 01:12:39,700
development in the local around spitalfields and

1445
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:41,400
stuff. There's like this facadeism.

1446
01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:47,300
And then it which is happening basically because like if you

1447
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:49,300
know, if you are building a new building,

1448
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:52,100
you don't have to pay VAT on it, whereas if you're

1449
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:55,300
renovating a building you have to pay vat and obviously the footprint will

1450
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:57,000
be smaller. So if you demolish it and grow

1451
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,400
Like an extra few or 10 stories then

1452
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,100
it's just and so they keep the facade as like a way of

1453
01:13:03,100 --> 01:13:03,100
like.

1454
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,500
Paying homage to the whatever the cultural capital is of that former building.

1455
01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:11,300
But yeah, I mean so it's actually incentivize not

1456
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:12,600
to do that and

1457
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,500
But yeah, I mean I think is tricky. I

1458
01:13:17,500 --> 01:13:19,800
mean the only the other context in which

1459
01:13:20,300 --> 01:13:20,900
I've been

1460
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:24,400
working with all the buildings is in

1461
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,500
Granby and you know, it was very much like

1462
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,700
the approach to that project was very much Guided

1463
01:13:32,700 --> 01:13:35,900
by the fact that a lot of The Terraces have been boarded up

1464
01:13:35,900 --> 01:13:38,600
after the housing market renewal initiative and

1465
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,100
Pathfinder. And so they were all kind of rotting in a

1466
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:44,900
different states of water Ingress and the idea

1467
01:13:44,900 --> 01:13:47,400
was to try and basically approach each house

1468
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,300
as an individual and like work with the ways

1469
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:53,900
in which it had been affected by that condition and rather

1470
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:57,900
than this kind of like and copy-paste approach

1471
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:00,400
and that that was an idea of like paying respect

1472
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,300
to the communities who are still living in those

1473
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:03,600
streets and

1474
01:14:05,300 --> 01:14:08,400
so I think probably the approach to

1475
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:09,700
here is also and

1476
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:13,000
Yeah informed by that, but it's also weird to be

1477
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,300
in it. You know, it's quite it's very weird to be trying to

1478
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:16,900
think about like

1479
01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:20,300
cybernetics in a context like this because it's like you're

1480
01:14:20,300 --> 01:14:23,400
not allowed to like fix a joists because that's like it's

1481
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,300
like illegal to like change the building fabric without

1482
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:29,100
making a list of building consent application, which is loads, you

1483
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:32,100
know, it's just like it's not loads, but it's just all extra work and so

1484
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:32,300
to

1485
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:35,600
Yeah this tension between like.

1486
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,800
shifting things in change and

1487
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,700
fluid or being able to respond to each other plus having

1488
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:44,100
a listed building is quite

1489
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,400
Quite and yeah, tricky and yeah.

1490
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,300
Thank you. We've got a question from Zoom.

1491
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,700
And okay, this is from Rachel Wilson. Hello, Rachel.

1492
01:14:56,700 --> 01:14:59,500
I'd be interested to know more

1493
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:03,000
about how you work Oliveira's Sonic

1494
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:04,900
media meditation into your practice.

1495
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,600
and the reception of others that you undertake the Deep listening process

1496
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:09,900
with

1497
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,000
let's thanks for the question and

1498
01:15:19,300 --> 01:15:22,400
well, I guess I've most of it that I've been doing has

1499
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,500
been kind of Guided by a deep

1500
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:29,300
listening practitioner are to in the house and who

1501
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:32,200
yeah was the kind of having you

1502
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,000
for me learning about the practice but then since

1503
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,700
Doing it with him. We've been like Co.

1504
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:42,700
Authoring a series of scores in the house and like running. Yeah

1505
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:46,200
different sessions and then I've been able

1506
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,100
to become more confident with using it

1507
01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:49,600
in as a way of like also.

1508
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,600
in the context of design session starting it

1509
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,600
with that or in the context of kind of

1510
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,900
movement building and workshops then

1511
01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:02,300
using that as a kind of way of getting people

1512
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:06,500
into a different state and yeah,

1513
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:08,500
I mean some people the people

1514
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:09,500
who aren't really into it just

1515
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:13,100
tend to stay upstairs, you know,

1516
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:14,800
but that's fine.

1517
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,300
Yeah, but I think is it is interesting like even people

1518
01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:22,100
who are a bit circumspect at the

1519
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:25,700
beginning then sometimes, you know do it

1520
01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:28,900
once or twice and feel quite like affected by

1521
01:16:28,900 --> 01:16:29,900
itself and

1522
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:31,200
Yeah.

1523
01:16:32,300 --> 01:16:35,100
I think it would be great to introduce you to

1524
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:39,800
Rachel at some point. So Rachel and I

1525
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,300
know Rachel and maybe in the

1526
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,200
next few days you could talk about that. Thank you.

1527
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:52,600
It's working. Yeah, so I'm so glad that question came

1528
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,800
first because it's gonna say I don't have a question. I mean

1529
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,300
I have lots but I have a another piece

1530
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:01,500
of the conversation a kind

1531
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:05,500
of comment about the aloe vera so so intrigued

1532
01:17:04,500 --> 01:17:07,700
to hear that you're practicing Sonic meditations

1533
01:17:07,700 --> 01:17:10,100
in the house. I've done a lot of work

1534
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:13,900
practicing Sonic meditations myself and and

1535
01:17:13,900 --> 01:17:16,800
it is a practice right because all of arrows met

1536
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,200
with a group of women, I think weekly for a

1537
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,700
period of time it was a feminist initiative

1538
01:17:22,700 --> 01:17:25,300
and they were you know, getting to know each

1539
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:28,800
other and working together and the place

1540
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,600
that I find where people get start to

1541
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,200
get really uncomfortable with it is the telepathy part

1542
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,000
because as you know, you know eventually the

1543
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:40,000
acts the meditations which are a series of

1544
01:17:40,700 --> 01:17:41,300
exercises go into

1545
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:45,700
Hear a sound in your in your mind and then pass it

1546
01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:49,500
to someone else without producing sound.

1547
01:17:50,300 --> 01:17:53,300
And it's amazing and you know when you meet week after week

1548
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:55,200
to practice these then you start to.

1549
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,100
Get towards a place where you feel like you can do that. So.

1550
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:03,500
So amazing they're doing it in the house and I

1551
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:06,500
haven't been there and I'm really excited to go hopefully next

1552
01:18:06,500 --> 01:18:09,300
week. Um, but I was thinking about this idea

1553
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:12,800
of unfinishing you were talking about the house having different

1554
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,400
rooms or sort of rooms because it's you

1555
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,200
know in a certain State as we've seen pictures

1556
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,500
of the people being in different places and there

1557
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:24,500
were practices of Sonic meditations over Zoom,

1558
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:27,500
um, during the pandemic this

1559
01:18:27,500 --> 01:18:30,800
wonderful flute flutist Clara Chase

1560
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,100
and the US LED them a bunch

1561
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:36,700
of them and so people are in different spaces and it was really different because

1562
01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:39,300
that happened what's happening over Zoom. So

1563
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:43,700
there's this idea of that. I think you

1564
01:18:42,700 --> 01:18:45,900
could and maybe you

1565
01:18:45,900 --> 01:18:48,500
already are exploring by practicing

1566
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:52,300
in the house by people being in different places and you're

1567
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:54,900
sort of inadvertently bridging this

1568
01:18:54,900 --> 01:18:57,300
face of of telepathy and passing

1569
01:18:57,300 --> 01:19:00,100
sound without necessarily being able to pass it.

1570
01:19:00,100 --> 01:19:00,400
So,

1571
01:19:00,500 --> 01:19:03,200
Placing people at different places in the house

1572
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,100
by exploring the idea of something that's unfinished.

1573
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:09,900
And I'm I'm feeling the magnetic pole

1574
01:19:09,900 --> 01:19:12,600
here of George Spence arounds laws of

1575
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,400
form and this idea in a

1576
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,200
very cursory way of this idea of form and and void and and

1577
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:19,200
moving towards

1578
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,700
something that's on something that is is finished and unfinished

1579
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:26,100
something that is sounded and not sounded and the

1580
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:30,700
practicing the meditations in that particular space in

1581
01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:33,200
and his house is just it's just brilliant. I'm

1582
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:34,300
really excited to hear about it.

1583
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:41,000
I mean, I think it sounds like we haven't quite got there

1584
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:44,400
but you know, yeah with

1585
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:44,800
that thing.

1586
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:47,400
Great.

1587
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,800
Tell us

1588
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,200
more about when you live there. I

1589
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,200
mean what kind of we have a plan or do you have how many people live there?

1590
01:19:59,200 --> 01:19:59,400
I mean.

1591
01:20:00,500 --> 01:20:03,300
But more elaboration on what you did that because while

1592
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:06,200
you are living there. All right. Yeah, we're not living

1593
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,300
my living there. We're just I guess in Resident see

1594
01:20:09,300 --> 01:20:13,100
like being there because

1595
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:16,100
I mean normally when we're working it's in

1596
01:20:17,300 --> 01:20:20,500
Yeah in different cities or different countries. So yeah,

1597
01:20:20,500 --> 01:20:23,700
you have to really move there. But then yeah, we

1598
01:20:23,700 --> 01:20:25,600
will based in London. So just

1599
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,700
kind of where they're doing the day and

1600
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:30,800
yeah.

1601
01:20:31,700 --> 01:20:31,900
so

1602
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,400
you can actually explore and learn

1603
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,300
and then well, I mean because the how so

1604
01:20:39,300 --> 01:20:42,400
the Edith Marin Foundation they don't have a

1605
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,400
plan, you know, they don't want to sell it and so far

1606
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:48,200
they're kind of, you know, very supportive of what we're trying to

1607
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,400
do. And so technically if

1608
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,300
we can get the money to I mean if we can't get the money to do it up then we'll

1609
01:20:55,300 --> 01:20:58,500
have to think about what we do.

1610
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:00,000
I don't know what we'll do and

1611
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:04,500
But if we do get the money to do up then you know,

1612
01:21:04,500 --> 01:21:07,100
then it will just you know, if we're then

1613
01:21:07,100 --> 01:21:10,400
we can negotiate the lease and the idea is theoretically it

1614
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,500
would just be there just be an asset for people to use and

1615
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:16,500
there's still quite a lot of questions around

1616
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:18,300
like how it will be.

1617
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:22,500
Governed and organized. I mean in a day-to-day basis, we know

1618
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:25,100
we have the kind of Trustees of the charity. But I mean,

1619
01:21:25,100 --> 01:21:28,500
I don't think there's really an appetite for them to be taking like a formative

1620
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:31,300
role in in the space and so like how can

1621
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:34,200
it be self-organized? What does it mean for the roles? Like, how can we how does

1622
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,800
that relate to the economics of the space and these things and yeah,

1623
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:38,900
technically it could be.

1624
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:45,200
But yeah, I don't know.

1625
01:21:55,400 --> 01:22:03,500
We got one up there. Hi. Yeah

1626
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:05,600
Ingrid from from Oslo.

1627
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,200
I have a kind of difficult question. I

1628
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:14,300
guess you are doing things kind

1629
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:16,300
of with a plan but kind of without a

1630
01:22:16,300 --> 01:22:20,900
plan. I mean, I'm an architect and I've also been building myself.

1631
01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:22,800
It's difficult to build without a

1632
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,200
plan you could go and buy stuff. You're gonna

1633
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,300
know more or less what you have to buy what you're gonna do with

1634
01:22:28,300 --> 01:22:32,200
it. It's not the kind of improvisation or practice.

1635
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,900
So what level

1636
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:37,700
are you able to improvise and how do

1637
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:37,700
you

1638
01:22:38,900 --> 01:22:41,400
Kind of work with those different levels between the

1639
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,400
very very practical issues of doing up an

1640
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,900
old building and the kind of experimental practices

1641
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:49,200
that you're also involved with.

1642
01:22:50,100 --> 01:22:52,200
yeah, it's a really good question and

1643
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,700
I well because it is listed, you know, there's like as you

1644
01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:59,600
know, just like the processes is very

1645
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,200
particular, you know, we can't we don't we basically have

1646
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,000
to be able to draw everything that we're going to do before we

1647
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:08,400
play planning and we obviously can't start work before then

1648
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,300
and especially if we're going through grant funding

1649
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:13,900
it's all going to be, you know have to be entirely done.

1650
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,300
With due process. So yeah, I

1651
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:21,200
think it's more about trying to figure out what it means

1652
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,400
like one the process that leads up

1653
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,500
to the creation of those drawings and how we're informing those decisions.

1654
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:30,200
And then what their limit is like

1655
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,000
where we stop.

1656
01:23:32,500 --> 01:23:35,600
Then also like, you know, the process of delivery

1657
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,500
is going to be really key. And I mean, I'm not sure how

1658
01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:42,000
whether they tell if you're going to support that way

1659
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,500
of approaching it because you know, they want

1660
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:47,200
you to go out for you know that obviously well.

1661
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,700
They give that large sums of capital money for Capital developments.

1662
01:23:51,700 --> 01:23:54,700
They want people to be like very accountable and

1663
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:57,700
transparent which is great. But yeah,

1664
01:23:57,700 --> 01:24:00,200
it's not really gonna work if we have to go out for tender to like

1665
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,000
contractors and things like that. So what we're going to do is try and do a pitch

1666
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:06,400
where we say like, this is the really ideal situation of

1667
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,400
like how we would deliver it and this is how much it will cost and if

1668
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,000
they don't accept that then they'll have to be a different way and of

1669
01:24:12,100 --> 01:24:15,300
working with contractors, but yeah, no, you're definitely you know,

1670
01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:18,500
you're right and I think it's going to be I think

1671
01:24:18,500 --> 01:24:22,500
navigating that question and relation to different delivery

1672
01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:24,400
of different projects. It's gonna really interesting like with

1673
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,600
the joiners arms project that could be really different because you

1674
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,200
know, we don't really know what kind of form of space we're gonna have access to

1675
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,200
and like yeah actively trying to think about

1676
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,700
process in this kind of like

1677
01:24:35,900 --> 01:24:38,300
More critical way whereas it does not

1678
01:24:38,300 --> 01:24:41,400
there's not really space for that in this project. But

1679
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,600
we're already doing a lot of other things that feels like yeah, it's not

1680
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,100
the focus. And also if it just if it happens,

1681
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:48,800
it'll be amazing. So yeah.

1682
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:51,100
Thanks.

1683
01:24:51,900 --> 01:24:52,900
we're gonna have to I

1684
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,200
think we're gonna have to wrap up now.

1685
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:58,500
Sorry, we'll let fun go and sit down and like

1686
01:24:58,500 --> 01:24:59,300
have a rest.

1687
01:24:59,900 --> 01:25:02,300
And we've run out of time, but first I'd

1688
01:25:02,300 --> 01:25:06,400
like to give you a gift say thanks for your Keynotes.