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The, the time is an important one within the development of systemic design.

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So there, I think there are some choices that need to be made,

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and the first 10 events in this series have established systemic designers,

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um, in the world.

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But when something like this begins to go become a mainstream endeavor,

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when you can sort of introduce yourself in the,

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in a lift as a systemic designer, um, uh, there's a lot of risks.

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So there's a risk that what's special about it can become lost,

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can become lost in just, you know, the rest of the world. Um,

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a risk of embedding blind spots that we are blind to because we, you know, the,

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the implicit values and assumptions in the foundations of what it is that,

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um, just get extended and we forget to question them.

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And I think we've got questions that are about, um, uh,

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we have important questions for us right now about the next steps in developing

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this. And I want to go to, um,

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oh, that's the reveal. Um,

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so I'm just call doing a call back to this diagram,

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which I saw at the first time I came to an R S D, which was, um,

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R S D four, and I think it was first presented in R S D two and, um,

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maybe it's been around before then. Um,

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I'd love to know kind of when Berger first did this. Um,

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and there's lots of ways you can maybe do a different diagram.

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You can critique this and so on.

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And all diagrams are just slices through things,

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but I'm just gonna work with this one a little bit. Um,

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so Berger's title for this in his slides in RSD two are the

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field of possibilities in systemic design.

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And I think one of the really beautiful things about, uh, this,

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and especially how Bier wrote about this in 2017,

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um, is he positioned system systems oriented design.

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So the practice that he develops is just one of the possibilities.

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So there's a kind of field you have kind of design on one side,

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you have systems on the other,

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and he puts this kind of blurry red spot for roughly where systems oriented

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design is, is one practice.

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And there's an idea that systemic design could be a plural field with many

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practices and different ways of doing things rather than just one thing.

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And I think that plurality is really, um, important and interesting in,

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in being critical of everything we do.

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But we could also say that most of the stuff that, you know,

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we see at R S D is fairly near that red spot, right?

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We're kind of plural, but we're still kind of in that zone.

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And I'm always attracted to the edges. So I, I'm from a,

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a discipline called cybernetics, which is about, um,

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exploring the edges between things.

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And you can think of this as a field and there's a lot of other space on the,

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on the graph. Um,

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so have we explored the full range of what that pluralism could be,

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um, design on the left. Um,

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so there's a lot of other modalities of design that are maybe not captured by

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design thinking, design practice, research through design.

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There's other kinds of things, right? And other connections,

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maybe things beyond design that are forms of creative practice too,

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that are relevant. Um, we could think to connections, to art practice,

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to engineering.

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And in the same way the system side systems is as a field is more than just

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systems thinking. So systems thinking, um,

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in a way is the kind of presentable, neat, um,

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uh, known kind of methodological area that you can kind of present in a kind of

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government circle.

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And they've heard of it and it really makes sense to start with this because

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it's kind of known. It has some acceptance. Um,

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and if what you're trying to do as Alex Ryan put it, um,

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at a previous R s d, if we're,

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if systemic design is trying to move upstream from designs traditional areas to

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questions like policy and, um, sociotechnical systems that are,

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um, governance, If you're trying to move into that realm,

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it makes a lot of start sense to start with, um, uh,

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with kind of systems thinking as a framework.

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But there's also many other things that systems connects to as a field.

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So it connects to the counterculture, connects to, um, ecology,

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connects to the long, now, connects to embodied cognition,

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biology of cognition to art practices, to family therapy, um,

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to all kinds of things that are, I think still re very relevant to, um,

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designing and also to, um, design challenges.

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One of the most noticeable parts of systemic design, um,

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has been giga mapping or different forms of mapping.

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And this is often talked about as

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visualizing complexity. Um,

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but I think the most important thing in it is, um,

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an integration of what's called boundary critique.

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So if we take the basic systems idea that everything is connected,

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um, but we can't engage with everything at once,

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then there's an idea that all our engagements are partial and we're always

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making boundary judgements about what we include and what we don't.

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The question who is,

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and who should be included is at the heart of e every systemic design process.

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Um, and I'm sure you will encounter that in different ways in your work,

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But I think we can also apply that question to systemic design itself,

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also to R S D who and what is included in systemic

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design and who and what should be.

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And here I'm thinking partly of something Margaret Mead did, um,

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with the systems and cybernetics communities in the sixties,

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which was to ask them to take their ideas seriously enough to apply them to

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their own practices. So their own events, their own organizations.

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So Berger's, Gibb, giga mapping approach

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has beautiful part which is about, um,

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mapping out beyond the horizon, um,

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of the project until you get to things you know,

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you don't need to deal with right now. Right?

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So moving beyond the scope and then, you know,

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you can make a proper critical judgment of what to include and when.

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So just to play with the diagram a little bit, if we kind of start to imagine,

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well, that was maybe a field, what's beyond that field? And I,

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I would like to encourage us to kind of think about maybe the other

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possibilities that surround it that could be included. Um,

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and maybe that should be included. So what are the, so the,

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the questions leave you with is, um,

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what are the possibilities and practices of systemic design? Uh,

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what should they be? When is systemic design? When is it,

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uh, when is it a good idea? When is it just, uh, when is it possible?

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When is it practical? When is it radical? Um,

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I think these are questions that are, um, hard to ask, but good to,

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um, good to answer.