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meet everybody although

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everybody is invisible at the moment, but I hope

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to have a conversation you a little

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bit later on.

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So what I'm going to do is to tell three different kinds of

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stories, but I've got two opening caveats to

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begin with just to give you a sense of

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Where I'm coming from?

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So the first one all systems are constituted

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by relations.

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But not all relations constitute a system.

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relations in the systems exist at and

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various levels of complexity

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exist in and of a complexity.

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We do not cannot fully comprehend the

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complexity of this complexity.

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on the outside.

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What I have to say falls into this

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observation.

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of an observation

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of an observation

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So I'm sure all of this sounds a jumble of words.

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But you'll see the war the words fall

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into place as I move on.

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So that was the first caveat the second one.

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Is overarching your events focal themes?

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about either the mind the biophysical sickness

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and so it cannot be

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delinked from the malady

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of the planet's ecology in turn

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this sickness.

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Is a product of what is produced and how

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by Rogue systems the

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Is undercutting lives dwelling.

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Is making the world our world?

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award within the world

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a situation of unmaking

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the essence of this are making I call.

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The future so very simply as we

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make the world that we inhabit.

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that we depend upon.

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that dialectical relation

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at the moment is incredibly destructive. So

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at its most basic what

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we have to be able to do is to

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slow this process down.

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very problematic. So the

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stories that I'm going to tell.

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I hope it'll clear up.

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So we are situated.

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in an uncanny in an uncanny situation

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and uncanny situation that is seeing

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and thinking the scene.

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That we're in that we're compelled to

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make can tell compelled to manufacture.

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In other words, we have a dislocation between sense

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so the three stories that I'm going to tell

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an attempt to kind of deal at least

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partly with this problem.

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So Story one.

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Is a Dry Town?

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it it is not particularly entertaining.

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It's been autoimmune.

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So to understand autoimmunity.

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We have to start with understanding immunity.

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The word derives from the Latin immunice and

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obligation service Duty.

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the biological concept of immunity

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Was not known until the 19th century the credit

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goes to a French chemist. You would

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Who defined how the process of immunity worked as a

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cholera?

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mechanic a Russian imperial zoologist.

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in the late 19th century

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This gained him a new a Nobel Peace Prize.

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over the stories more complex and you'll be

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pleased to know more interesting than this history suggests.

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The practice of immunization is ancient.

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infected body this goes back.

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lesion.

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on this practice has been done and documented for several

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decades earlier without scientific rigor.

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of Jonah's experimentations and documentation

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from harm born by environmental pathogens

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humanity and the relation to

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the legal and the biological.

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law in the 8th Century, BC.

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for most of for most of the life

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of the concept immunity

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was confined to the language of Law and politic

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cells are steady biological was a lake.

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and the power of inclusion and exclusion of government.

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and privilege belonging to the citizen.

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of law.

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That has the ability to place you

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beyond it.

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immunity then

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no places you exempt from political obligation

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prosecution from military service taxation.

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universal obligations for particular subjects

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or groups of subject. So that

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ancient concept is pretty much how it's

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and arrive and expressed in the concept

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of bio-politics a recent

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of immunity and auto emergency

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of the pandemic

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and its management became indivisible.

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the legal and the economic. So the pandemic

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brought together everything that I've been

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put in place now for autoimmunity.

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So while the history of immunity is old.

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The trans and a transdisciplinary complexity

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autoimmunity is new.

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adequately acknowledged.

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notwithstanding this Jack dirida

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gave it presence and significance.

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The stepping back a little bit the discovery

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of autoimmunity.

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1894. So

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again, it goes back to the 19th century

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is born in Poland educated in Berlin.

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University of conansburg.

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as an editor of a rose in

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degree disease.

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very new.

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an overriding concept.

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Describing a myriad of different ways in

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which the immune system that supposedly protects

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the proper self ends

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up attacking the immune system.

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the exact cause of autoimmunity

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is still unknown.

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triggers, but not the case is not proven.

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autoimmunity is a failure of the self.

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By destroying his own social political immune system.

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Radar defined it in this way.

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Is estranged Behavior?

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by which an organization

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acquies in a quasi suicidal fashion

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itself Works to destroy his own

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protection to immune itself against his

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own immunity.

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also sees Auto industry as

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a rupture a breakdown.

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an opening of the social political system

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as such

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it creates a function similar to the pharmacomicon

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is something

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that either kills you.

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Think Russia now.

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Russia is an example of what?

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Go to is talking about.

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Russia in its actions

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is in a sense also destroying itself.

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It is a nation in a condition of autoimmunity.

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alterinity.

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religion

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to give you

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a kind of reasonably well known dramatic example.

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It comes from the US people's Temple.

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So I'm making the religious connection.

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the James Jones Town project

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that happened in remote Guiana on the

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18th of November in 1978.

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Jim Jones who led the project and the

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instructed 909 people

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to commit Collective suicide

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by injecting poison, which they

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There are people.

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Who are willing to kill or be killed on the

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Beast of Donald Trump?

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These are not.

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Covered examples of the fusion between ideology a

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cult and autoimmunity.

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different cultures and geographies

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their practice end up

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destroying themselves

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Okay, so the next point.

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Going a little bit tangently.

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And making a different kind of perspective is that

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seduction?

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overwhelms reason

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Conformity displaces self-respect reflection

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people can act

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without any sense

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of what they're doing.

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Being in total contradiction to what

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they believe and to what they think that acting

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action is called a crazier.

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To act and contradiction to what

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you know.

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We do it all the time.

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and evenly but collectively

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humanity is acting in this sense.

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with autoimmunity

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You know this contradiction.

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as unstainability unsustainability

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so

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we know that we're acting unsustainable.

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But we go on doing it.

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As a species we are effectively.

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de-futuring ourselves

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Well being diffuted by others.

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so in this sense

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autoimmunity collapses into unsustainability

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and is a general condition of our being in the world now.

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Why?

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Because we are seduced by our material desire

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and to extend.

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This these desires are product.

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of conditions of collective crazy

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we don't do this alone.

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We do this together.

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certainly to be of the global North

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is to know

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A way of life. That is unsustainable.

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transposed to autoimmunity

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We are dying by a collective

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induced protracted mass suicide over

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time.

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We don't see it this way.

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because the passage of the unsustainable

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is for us incredibly slow.

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geologically

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historically is happening incredibly quickly.

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Now we come to design.

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because design supports this process

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It is absolutely bonded to futureing.

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and the future

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and is captured by.

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Euchre

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so

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design functions in error

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it is a product.

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That is this understood as being

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finished.

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as an endpoint

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whereas in fact everything that we produce.

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is in process

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everything goes somewhere. Everything has

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a life. Everything has a Direction.

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Everything ends up.

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either

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as being destroyed

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or in a state of a

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state of abandoned dysfunction to eventually

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turn to this.

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now the contrary practice

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to design as it is.

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Designed that thinks it is delivered

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something as an endpoint as a product.

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Is designed understood?

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as ontological design

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ontological design recognizes that everything that

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we design

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goes on designing

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at the moment

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as you listen to me.

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You're sitting in a chair.

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That chair was designed but it

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is going on designing it is designing your sitting

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at the moment.

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And you're sitting in a chair over the course of

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your life.

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has will have

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a physiological concept on you

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and you will schedule condition.

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So chairs are designed and go

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on designing as does almost everything

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else that we bring into existence.

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So that actually changes how we see

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the world.

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Once you understand this you start to see

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things as movement rather than static

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you start to see them in time.

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As well as being in space.

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So the implication of what I'm saying?

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Is that the moment we design in error?

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We design because we don't actually see what we're doing.

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at this fundamental level

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But equally we design without power.

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Because most designers design as

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service providers.

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A search they are not responsible for

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the most fundamental.

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decisions

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about what is designed? What is to be

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designed?

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It is overdetermined.

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by the client

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by The Practice

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so the Contra practice

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To design as service.

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Is designed as an autonomous practice?

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So the designer is the person.

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That makes the fundamental design decisions and

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takes responsibility for what they bring into

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existence by Design.

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So if we bring together ontological design and

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autonomous design

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what we have is a foundation.

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of an a totally new

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design

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paradigm

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so design in error

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fundamentally is a failure to design

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in time.

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And the Contra practice to designing in time.

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Is to design back from the future.

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a future

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Where one assists a risks that are

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in front of us?

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And places those risks.

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In front of what it is to be designed. So

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the passage of the design object through

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time is modified by

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a recognition of the risks that

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it has to negotiate.

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Okay.

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so

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That was Story number one, and I

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did give you the warning that it was a bit dry.

435
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now

436
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we go to Story number two, which is a warmer tail.

437
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That links to what I've just been saying.

438
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,100
I'm going to talk about oppressive things.

439
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,600
I'm talking about the future and futureing as

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design in time.

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as a species

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we

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are extremely creative.

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to wit

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we've created an enormously complex

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world.

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00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,800
of material Technical and aesthetic

448
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,000
things

449
00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:16,300
this is a world within the world.

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We celebrate it.

451
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We still creativity.

452
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We reward creativity.

453
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But we forget that creation is dialectical.

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It is indivisible.

455
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from destruction

456
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and is of

457
00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:38,500
a recursive essence

458
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:41,200
of life and death

459
00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:43,900
and I've met all metabolic processes.

460
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:45,500
So

461
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:50,500
the wooden chair destroys the tree

462
00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:54,400
the steel from which a myriad products are

463
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:54,600
made.

464
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Depends on the destruction that occurs.

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00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,200
of extracting matter

466
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,700
from the environment

467
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,500
new ideas

468
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:07,800
destroy old

469
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:12,500
so the relation of creation and destruction

470
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Is invisible indivisible?

471
00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:20,600
and ethics and a

472
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material sense

473
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Is the designing line?

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00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:25,800
between the one and the other

475
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:29,100
the point of decision

476
00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:33,700
the decision which says does what I

477
00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:38,200
create justify what I destroy that's

478
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,700
an incredibly simple

479
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:41,000
statement to make

480
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but is a fundamental observation observation which

481
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:47,000
escapes us.

482
00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:50,000
It is an observation and a question.

483
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:52,800
We simply do not ask.

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00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,800
so it didn't man's

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00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:01,700
another way of thinking

486
00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:04,800
about what we have created

487
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:06,700
and what will

488
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,400
Be created.

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And this second way

490
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of thinking.

491
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:17,400
demands another way of seeing

492
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,500
it Demands a confrontation with alethea.

493
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Which means?

494
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,300
the bringing of what you see

495
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,700
out of concealment

496
00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:33,800
the truth

497
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:36,300
of the unconcealed

498
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,700
produces appearances

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00:24:42,500 --> 00:24:43,000
it's like

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the creation of the beautiful

501
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facades of selves and

502
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things

503
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:52,200
we

504
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,700
make ourselves invisible

505
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by the manufacture

506
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,800
of our appearance

507
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,800
design is a practice.

508
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:08,000
overwhelmed by consumment

509
00:25:08,900 --> 00:25:10,600
so much of what we design

510
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:12,000
is about

511
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,500
conceiving

512
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:16,000
the facade

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of a building

514
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,600
You know is fundamentally about conceding the

515
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structure of the building.

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00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:25,200
the body of the calm

517
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:26,800
is about concealing.

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00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:28,000
the machine

519
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,900
the clothes that we wear

520
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,200
Are about concealing us?

521
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,500
So we live in a world of designed.

522
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:39,200
concealment

523
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:42,700
and at its most fundamental

524
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:45,300
What we concealing?

525
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:47,000
Is truth.

526
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:51,400
What we can see is the ability to see

527
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,200
what we need.

528
00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:53,600
to see

529
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So this relation?

530
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:01,500
Which sounded?

531
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,600
Abstract a moment ago.

532
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,800
Is actually very concrete.

533
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,200
And very challenging.

534
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:11,300
and

535
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:16,500
whilst we can't strip everything bare.

536
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:18,800
What we can do.

537
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,900
Is learn how to see beyond?

538
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,500
the concealed

539
00:26:27,700 --> 00:26:28,300
destruction

540
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:31,500
Is there for everyone to see?

541
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:34,000
But we don't see it.

542
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,200
Because it's so much of it is

543
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:38,400
hidden.

544
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,300
And the more prosperous the more wealthy.

545
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,700
No more inadverted commas civilized the

546
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:49,000
more inverted commas developed we are.

547
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,400
the more destruction there is

548
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,100
that is rendered invisible.

549
00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:59,400
one of the things that

550
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,900
underpins all of this

551
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,400
Is the observation The Plato made

552
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,400
when he simply pointed out?

553
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,600
We see with our mind not our eyes

554
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,600
our eyes are simply Optical instruments.

555
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,300
What is strange?

556
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,100
Is that one our creative capabilities and intellectual

557
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:24,900
capabilities of our species?

558
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,600
Have created this enormous complexity of

559
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,300
complexity.

560
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,100
including our complex way of seeing

561
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:38,900
And whilst we have all sorts of theoretical devices

562
00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:40,800
that make that apparent.

563
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:45,000
humanitically phenomenologically and

564
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:48,400
in terms of systems cyst

565
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,500
General systems theory

566
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,000
and second order cybernetics

567
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:55,100
they do not.

568
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:59,500
Address the scale the horror of

569
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:02,300
Destruction that accompanies are acts of

570
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:02,800
creation.

571
00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:06,700
for all our theoretical sophistication

572
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,500
we still do not see what is essential

573
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:13,600
to render vision.

574
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:15,700
and Design

575
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,300
still hides the ruin.

576
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,700
The ruin that is unsustainability in

577
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:25,000
process.

578
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,000
so, I'm really

579
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,700
emphasizing this

580
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,600
on emphasizing this question of seeing

581
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,100
because once you can think seeing

582
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:41,600
then you can see the world as otherwise

583
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,300
you can see what there is to do

584
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:46,600
what there is to learn.

585
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,400
What there is to take action towards?

586
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:51,800
in

587
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,200
a way, which is not a turning away

588
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:55,500
from

589
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,200
So while sight is natural?

590
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,700
Seeing is alert.

591
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,500
And what is learned produces at the

592
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:08,200
moment seeing in error?

593
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,800
most significantly

594
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,300
the objectification of things Ray finds

595
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:14,400
them.

596
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,200
They are frozen in time was being in time.

597
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,600
As I've said everything is in process.

598
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200
and by a viewable a variable duration

599
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:30,300
Everything Changes moved decays disappears

600
00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,700
and all matter and energy

601
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:36,800
will eventually be dissipated.

602
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:42,500
Notions like Recycling and economic circularity only

603
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,200
get part of this process.

604
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,700
They don't get the constructive expenditure

605
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:50,500
of excess.

606
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,200
the expenditure of matter over time

607
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,500
the essential

608
00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:58,500
creation destruction relation

609
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:04,300
They don't get to the point again coming back

610
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:04,800
to design.

611
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,800
of the essential task

612
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:10,600
of Designing things away

613
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,500
those things

614
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,900
That have been created that are acting to

615
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,100
destroy us and what we depend upon.

616
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:22,000
Need to be designed away.

617
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:24,200
That is a practice.

618
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,200
that needs

619
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,100
to be created the needs to

620
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,100
be invented that these to be developed.

621
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:34,500
so de-futuring

622
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:36,900
is a way of seeing in time.

623
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,600
IT projects back

624
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,800
And IT projects forward into conditions of

625
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400
causality our search

626
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,600
it informs designing.

627
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:50,700
in the medium of time

628
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,500
it brings the future to the present.

629
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:56,900
as the projected face of things

630
00:30:58,100 --> 00:31:00,600
it makes the expected end of life something.

631
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:02,600
to place

632
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,500
from which it is created it puts

633
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,900
things in their condition of origin.

634
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,700
It sees nature and the fate of things in a

635
00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:15,700
relational Matrix.

636
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:17,300
everything

637
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,000
this situated in time and space

638
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,200
and again to kind of hammer home the question of seeing.

639
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:29,800
But we're endeavoring to try to learn.

640
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,700
Is the ability to see things in time

641
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:35,200
as well as in space?

642
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,100
And what impedes us from doing this is

643
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:42,700
the fact that we are chronophobic.

644
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:44,800
We have a fear of time.

645
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,400
We function with the illusion.

646
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,300
of permanence social reiterate

647
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:56,600
the propensity of design is the

648
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,400
design in space.

649
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,800
But diffusion demands designing in

650
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,000
time in two respects.

651
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,300
designing in the medium of time

652
00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,700
and designing with a sense of urgency.

653
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,500
It makes this these up demand because unsustainably and

654
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,400
our species is in

655
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,700
a state as I have been saying of autoimmunity.

656
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,100
the same message

657
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,700
design as Elemental

658
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,500
To making a world within the world.

659
00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:35,200
that at the moment

660
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,300
Is it dominantly accelerating?

661
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:41,900
towards our financial being

662
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,800
so the essence of design in

663
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,400
time.

664
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:49,400
Is making time.

665
00:32:50,700 --> 00:32:52,800
the essence of unsustainability

666
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,500
Is the erosion of time the destruction of time?

667
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,200
So the task of design at its most

668
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,500
fundamental to repeat is making time.

669
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,200
A motor creation is a mode of Destruction.

670
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,900
Is destroying our condition of dependence the collective

671
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,000
bodies at risk from the danger?

672
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:18,000
Within

673
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:21,900
as much as our individual

674
00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:24,500
automobile body

675
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,200
without

676
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:29,600
relationality therefore

677
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,700
creates direct links between destruction produced

678
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:37,400
by the makers and the maid

679
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:39,400
by our own

680
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,600
beings

681
00:33:41,700 --> 00:33:42,800
acts of Destruction

682
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,800
anthroposantic climate change future pandemics

683
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,700
There's no side eco-side inequity.

684
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,800
escalating condition of Google global conflict

685
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,900
are all relationally connected.

686
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,200
They may cut the condition or part of the condition.

687
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,300
of the complexity of complexity

688
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:09,900
when we through reason

689
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,000
is aggregate things in order.

690
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:16,300
to We Believe

691
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:17,800
understand

692
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:20,100
and address problems

693
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:21,900
this

694
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,200
disablegation this removal perform complexity

695
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,300
is a removal from the condition of

696
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:32,000
possibility.

697
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,400
So here is the bigger challenge.

698
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,200
The challenge are really understanding complexity.

699
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,000
The recognizes that it

700
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:47,900
will always be on Beyond us.

701
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:51,300
the acquisition of knowledge

702
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:53,600
over dominates

703
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,100
the realization of fully knowing

704
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:00,500
there is no making.

705
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:03,500
without destroying

706
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,200
I know I'm repeating this endlessly.

707
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,200
But we have to understand that includes ourselves.

708
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,400
We have to understand that empirically currently.

709
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,200
are species

710
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:19,000
is monstrous

711
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,600
We are two things biologically. We

712
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,600
are still an animal.

713
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,200
social culturally and cosmologically

714
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:28,900
We are.

715
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:30,700
being

716
00:35:32,100 --> 00:35:37,100
of differential social cultural evolutionary

717
00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:37,800
creation

718
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,500
What destined?

719
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,500
are destruction

720
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,300
are monstrosity

721
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,400
what invites a confrontation with the

722
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,600
impossible?

723
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:52,300
is

724
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,200
the recognition that in terms of creation

725
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,900
We became out of control.

726
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,200
We Amplified it.

727
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:04,000
technologically

728
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,000
We've always been.

729
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,700
technological

730
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000
but every iteration of our evolution

731
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,900
Amplified this capability

732
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:18,200
to the point at which it is now

733
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000
accelerating beyond our control.

734
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:25,800
So that that process of the future.

735
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,200
Is indivisible from a relation?

736
00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:31,300
to technology

737
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,200
So for all our instrumental knowledge and capability.

738
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,300
I had a really fundamental level.

739
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,800
We do not know what we're doing.

740
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:47,200
We do not know the consequences of what we creating. We

741
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,600
bring things into existence.

742
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:52,000
Without understanding where they are

743
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,300
going.

744
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,900
On what they would do on route.

745
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:58,200
so

746
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,700
we come back to the question of saying.

747
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:07,600
We come before ourselves are being

748
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,200
out of control without limit.

749
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:11,700
to understand the essence

750
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:13,900
of the thing.

751
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,400
Is not to really understand it.

752
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,400
in full

753
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,700
we have to understand what things do.

754
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,500
Not in Heidegger talked about the thing

755
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:27,300
of things.

756
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,700
The thing of the designing of things the

757
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,200
thing that you're sitting on as the chair

758
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,500
is designing a city. That is the thing of the chair.

759
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,000
For management imagine looking at a room.

760
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,100
a shop The Factory full of things

761
00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:48,300
and rather seeing them as objects.

762
00:37:49,300 --> 00:37:52,100
Seeing them as vectors seeing them as

763
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,300
traveling seeing them as force fields.

764
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:57,500
getting an autological understanding

765
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,800
Of what design tells you?

766
00:38:00,700 --> 00:38:03,900
When you see things as directionally going

767
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:04,700
on designing.

768
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,300
So you see in a sense?

769
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:13,600
a room as a field of forces of movement of trajectories

770
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,200
so again

771
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:21,700
coming back to seeing

772
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,400
we're talking about how we see ourselves and what

773
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:25,600
we do.

774
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,800
a build a bird

775
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,800
built a nest

776
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,300
20 Generations later

777
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,800
a hundred generation letter later

778
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:39,800
a bird builds a nest

779
00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:41,700
like a bird

780
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:43,800
we need food.

781
00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:46,400
and a metaphorically

782
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,300
we need a nest.

783
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:51,300
but across Generations

784
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,300
What did we build?

785
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:57,800
We built a f****** great big world of

786
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,900
incomprehensible complexity.

787
00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:02,300
monstrous miracle

788
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,300
of insupportable material excess

789
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:10,700
there is absolutely no correlation.

790
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,200
between what we've created

791
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:15,700
and what we need.

792
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:18,000
a monstrous

793
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:20,300
Is a being out of control?

794
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:24,800
my feeling

795
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,100
as an animal

796
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:34,100
my impossible attempt to think for

797
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:36,000
you and see as an animal.

798
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,500
my attempt

799
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,600
to be in control while being out

800
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:43,900
of control.

801
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,500
Within my constituted being in

802
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:48,700
the world.

803
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:52,900
Confronts me and my animality.

804
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,000
Is it possible?

805
00:39:57,300 --> 00:40:00,400
To see through the eyes of ourselves as animal.

806
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,400
at the same time

807
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:04,500
it is something.

808
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:07,100
That is just instructive.

809
00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:09,000
to try to do

810
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:13,500
to see just how ridiculous.

811
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:14,700
We are.

812
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,700
from the perspective

813
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,400
of an animal

814
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:21,900
so that was

815
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:23,300
story

816
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:24,800
number two

817
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:28,300
story number three short

818
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,000
so what is

819
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:35,000
where does the future of architecture come from?

820
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,100
And you don't have to be interested in architecture to

821
00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,600
find this story of Interest.

822
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,000
the past especially in the modern past

823
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,000
in relational architecture is futurely refused.

824
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,700
What I'm going to say about architecture tries

825
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:55,700
to actually ground.

826
00:40:56,900 --> 00:40:59,500
Some of the things I've said in the past two stories.

827
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,800
consider

828
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:05,900
the most sophisticated buildings

829
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,200
most of us to get a building design materials

830
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,900
construction methods systems technologies

831
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:17,800
that have ever existed exist

832
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,700
now

833
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:21,900
however

834
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,600
A hundred years is now deemed

835
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,600
old for a commercial building.

836
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,600
To survive such buildings are

837
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,000
usually programmed for major refit.

838
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:37,700
after 50 years

839
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,000
Yet there are buildings of the most basic materials.

840
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:48,300
built with the most basic of Technologies

841
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,500
that are still standing.

842
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,300
after 1,000 years

843
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:55,900
or more

844
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,800
example

845
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,900
Of this house. It's the

846
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:05,600
image of my title slide.

847
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:08,400
Is called a nap of Hower?

848
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:11,600
at Papa Westway

849
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,600
in the orkneys

850
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:14,300
in Scotland

851
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,300
It's the highest it was built 5,

852
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,700
600 years ago

853
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:22,700
and you can still recognize it.

854
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,800
From his remains as a house.

855
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,600
a more complex building the Temple of

856
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,900
Colossus in Crete

857
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,000
build around 4,000 years ago

858
00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:38,700
a more complex building

859
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:41,600
But it's still in the sense.

860
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:43,300
looks

861
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:46,300
reasonably sophisticated

862
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,500
You know, it has many of the qualities many

863
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:51,000
of the features.

864
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:55,700
of contemporary architectural and relation of

865
00:42:55,700 --> 00:42:56,200
a structure

866
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:58,800
that is over arched.

867
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:00,200
the style

868
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:03,500
then there is the pantheon in Rome.

869
00:43:04,700 --> 00:43:06,300
built over 2,000 years ago

870
00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:10,200
that building is still in use.

871
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:12,900
So we have this massive contradiction.

872
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,400
What we need.

873
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:18,700
I'm calling a fusion architecture.

874
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,000
This is not an architecture.

875
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:24,500
dominated by the new new

876
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,900
but what is this renewed?

877
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,100
to create conditions of sustainment

878
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200
In contrast to sustainability there is an

879
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,000
imperative to deal with what early it really exists.

880
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,600
This means metrofitting remaking the material making

881
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,000
the social cultural fabric.

882
00:43:47,100 --> 00:43:50,000
We're making the economies assistant of cities.

883
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,700
So this concept of metrofitting.

884
00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:58,800
Is one of the practices that in a

885
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:58,900
sense?

886
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,600
Recreates the possibility of Designing another way.

887
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,500
Okay.

888
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:08,400
I'm nearly finished.

889
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:13,300
Just a bit more an architecture going to

890
00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:14,600
designing back from the future.

891
00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:18,000
There's a method that goes along with this.

892
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:21,800
This is in a sense.

893
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:23,700
creating a narrative

894
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:27,400
a narrative that's based upon a designated moment

895
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,800
of time. Let's say a hundred years.

896
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:34,300
It goes to researching when I talked about earlier all

897
00:44:33,300 --> 00:44:36,700
the kind of risk that one can predict that

898
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:39,300
what our building is likely to face in a hundred years.

899
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:41,100
Telling that story.

900
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,800
And then writing a narrative that directs what

901
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,200
it is.

902
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:48,300
That is designed.

903
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,400
But that narrative is a making.

904
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:55,200
It is in a sense writing a story.

905
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,200
across a line marked in time

906
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:01,300
marked with

907
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:04,000
What the impacts?

908
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:06,300
that have been identified our

909
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,900
What people's responses to the parks are?

910
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:14,100
And what kind of Design Concepts ideas

911
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:15,400
practices?

912
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:17,100
Can engage that?

913
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:21,200
It is taking in a

914
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:21,200
sense.

915
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:24,800
the notion of Designing where things

916
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,100
are going

917
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:28,100
as the basis of the start of

918
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:28,700
design

919
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:34,300
It is a project brought to designing in the

920
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:34,700
present.

921
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:38,700
In relation to affected Futures. It

922
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:40,100
does not deliver certainty.

923
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,500
But it's a more critical approach.

924
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:47,100
the designing simply based upon

925
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:52,300
required building standards and short-term short-term

926
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:55,600
expectations in the Run of environmental change.

927
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,400
so to conclude

928
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,500
the three stories are not a unifying system.

929
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,700
But they all are relationally connected.

930
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:12,800
They are all about the ontological condition of diffusion of

931
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,600
ourselves and other beings they all

932
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,500
about auto-destructive processes equating

933
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:21,400
to autoimmunity.

934
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,800
That perpetuate design in error.

935
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:29,700
We depend on things in so many ways.

936
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:34,500
As they future but equally on mass maturely

937
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:37,700
and performity performatively

938
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:40,000
they are oppressive. They also

939
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:40,600
do future

940
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:43,600
they travel to the end.

941
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,400
Seeing such for marks for monomer.

942
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:51,300
Is essentially seeing them in time?

943
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:55,700
Which is a crucial sift shift in

944
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:57,400
the register of action.

945
00:46:59,300 --> 00:46:59,400
so

946
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:01,200
we

947
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,100
totally need immunity.

948
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,300
But we are the autoimmune.

949
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,500
as I've indicated

950
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,300
but the story three tells the future of another

951
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:19,200
kind of architecture.

952
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:22,300
in affirmatively connects

953
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:28,800
It delivers the possibility of working towards immunity

954
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,000
with what already exists

955
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,000
rather than trying to impose another

956
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,200
structure on the world.

957
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,400
That can claim to deliver immunity. We have to make

958
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,400
what is this immune?

959
00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:45,400
And to give you a kind of a context.

960
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,700
And a kind of a point of reference.

961
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:50,800
To what we're facing.

962
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,100
Lagos

963
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,000
2100

964
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:58,300
a city of projected 80 billion people

965
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,800
maybe 80% of that city is going to be informal

966
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,500
illegal.

967
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:04,900
note

968
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,600
under the direction of any control

969
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:11,600
in the face of climate change impact in future

970
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,000
pandemic's food security.

971
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,900
social ecology breakdown economic Exchange

972
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:22,900
and conflict it is a space.

973
00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:25,200
of demonstrable

974
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:27,000
autoimmunity

975
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:31,300
it is very likely to happen.

976
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,000
so the intervention

977
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:39,200
in cities of architecture now

978
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,100
in a sense is one of

979
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:46,000
the few ways that we can preemptively do.

980
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:48,500
With this kind of problem.

981
00:48:49,700 --> 00:48:53,200
Lagos is not an isolated example.

982
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,600
cities all over the global South

983
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600
a traveling in that kind of Direction

984
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,500
with those kinds of numbers

985
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:06,700
cities

986
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Are designing events?

987
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,900
They are events in time.

988
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:16,800
Extractivism into industrialism Wars agriculture

989
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,100
are examples of other events of

990
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:21,100
Designing and time.

991
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,800
all in those systems

992
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,400
the systemic

993
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,200
non-sitemic relations, excess

994
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,300
and Orders of comfort

995
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,100
the orders of comfort they will create.

996
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:39,200
by designing in ways

997
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,800
that we believe meet our immediate needs.

998
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,400
That don't meet our essential needs.

999
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:49,100
so

1000
00:49:51,300 --> 00:49:51,500
What we need.

1001
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:53,900
what we embrace

1002
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,300
What design Futures and what

1003
00:49:58,300 --> 00:49:59,900
dear future and demands?

1004
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:01,500
is embracing

1005
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,200
the dialectic of creation and destruction

1006
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,400
seeing in time of acting in time

1007
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,100
and designing other words otherwise

1008
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,300
I'm kind of aware that you know

1009
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:20,700
to talk of these issues at this scale.

1010
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:23,900
You know is overwhelming.

1011
00:50:25,300 --> 00:50:26,400
It is in a sense.

1012
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:30,200
Facing a condition that can feel like

1013
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,000
it's absolutely totally impossible.

1014
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,900
But it isn't.

1015
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,100
because the history

1016
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:40,300
of our species

1017
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,100
is a history.

1018
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,200
Of the attainment of what from any moment of

1019
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,300
time could appear to be impossible?

1020
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:52,600
so

1021
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:55,800
facing the complexity

1022
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:57,900
of complexity

1023
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:00,300
we commit to

1024
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:02,200
striving

1025
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:04,700
in strife

1026
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,500
to confront the impossible

1027
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,100
Thank you for your patience.

1028
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:23,500
Thanks, Tony.

1029
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,100
I don't know if you can see us at

1030
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:27,400
all now.

1031
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:30,600
I don't know if we can arrange away that you can also see us.

1032
00:51:31,500 --> 00:51:34,700
But we'll have some questions I can see you you can.

1033
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,300
You see me through that.

1034
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,500
Good see the front row of people and I can see you. Hi. I

1035
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:47,700
don't know the camera is and thanks.

1036
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:49,000
That was great.

1037
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,300
And I love stories. So that

1038
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:56,000
was perfect. And I really enjoyed

1039
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,500
the way you were able to speak to their focus areas.

1040
00:51:59,100 --> 00:52:01,700
Of the program. So, thank you.

1041
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,200
and I'm now going to hand over to do

1042
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,800
the Q&A to two of my

1043
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:10,900
friends and colleagues

1044
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:14,400
we have Tom Ainsworth who is

1045
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,700
gonna kind of chair the in-person questions

1046
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:20,100
and we have Evan Barber who will be

1047
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:21,700
able to take the

1048
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,000
Online questions, so please make sure if you're online hello

1049
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,700
to all of you. Please put

1050
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:32,600
the questions in the chats or

1051
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,500
in the question bit. Sorry not

1052
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:39,000
in the chat just in the question, but and yeah

1053
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,200
over to you so

1054
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,100
Do you want to intro Tom? Can you introduce yourself?

1055
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,500
This is Tom. He's gonna introduce himself.

1056
00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:51,700
I I nice to meet some my name is Tom Ainsworth.

1057
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:54,300
I'm the third part of

1058
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:57,100
the radical methodologies group that are hosting

1059
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:00,200
this event working with Ben and with Sally.

1060
00:53:00,700 --> 00:53:01,600
and so

1061
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:06,100
Can go straight out already got questions. So, please raise your

1062
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:09,300
hands and I'll command them you must.

1063
00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:18,700
Thank you very much for a lot of stimulating thoughts

1064
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:22,100
that I'll be mulling around for a while still one

1065
00:53:21,100 --> 00:53:24,500
of the things that came up yesterday and

1066
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:27,200
you hit on today. You talked

1067
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,800
about ontological designing and autonomous design converging

1068
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,100
together and idea of things as ongoing movements

1069
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:36,400
and yesterday in the Bates and

1070
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,500
dialogue that we had here. It also came up this idea of moving

1071
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,500
from design as something that predetermines and ends

1072
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:46,300
to support the kind of more open-ended ongoing transforming

1073
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:46,700
process.

1074
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:50,000
So and you also talked about you know,

1075
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,600
buildings that exist for 5,000 years or 4,000

1076
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,800
years. And in that how do we differentiate ourselves

1077
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,200
in this ongoing movement? What

1078
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,800
should be stable and what should be

1079
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,500
dynamic and adaptive in our designing

1080
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:08,500
process? And I one of the the points that

1081
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:11,800
I think about is Italian physicist Carlo raveli.

1082
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,100
He talks about everything as interaction and he has

1083
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:17,800
a very poetic saying that a rock is like a kiss and I'd

1084
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,000
love that because it helps us think even the things

1085
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,200
that are really stable are just kind of temporary coming together happenings,

1086
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,100
even these buildings. So in that

1087
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:29,600
how do we think about what we do as designing and

1088
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,500
how we're conf?

1089
00:54:30,900 --> 00:54:33,300
however temporarily and what should be

1090
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,600
long-term and what do we work toward in that longevity versus

1091
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,200
leaving open? Thank you.

1092
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:45,500
Well, I'm going to in a sense repeat.

1093
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,900
to answer the question a little bit of what I've said in the sense of

1094
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,600
the importance of

1095
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:53,900
Trying to see things.

1096
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,000
in time

1097
00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:58,600
seeing them in motion.

1098
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:01,600
but

1099
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:05,900
in addition and responding to

1100
00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:07,500
the kind of the essence of the question.

1101
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:14,000
Of making critical judgments around the

1102
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:16,300
criticality of what it

1103
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:17,900
is that we see.

1104
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:20,500
and what I mean by criticality

1105
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,000
is not just being critical but

1106
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,700
seeing everything as

1107
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:30,300
as it were poised.

1108
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,700
in a critical condition

1109
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:35,000
as something which is

1110
00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:37,600
creative or destructive

1111
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:40,200
and

1112
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:44,400
both can be positive and both

1113
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,200
can be negative.

1114
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:46,700
So

1115
00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:49,500
you know one of the things that

1116
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:50,900
We do.

1117
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:54,300
Is that we create things?

1118
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,400
That are intended to be destroyed.

1119
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,600
And we create things which are

1120
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,200
intended.

1121
00:56:02,900 --> 00:56:03,700
to endure

1122
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,800
But we get it wrong.

1123
00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:09,100
We create things that shouldn't endure.

1124
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:10,800
That are made.

1125
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:12,300
to endure

1126
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,800
And things that should endure the don't.

1127
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,100
So that you know as a very kind of simple observation.

1128
00:56:22,100 --> 00:56:25,500
But it's it's a product a product of failing to

1129
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:25,800
see.

1130
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,400
the moment of creation as a moment of the designation of

1131
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:30,700
time

1132
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:33,800
so

1133
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:36,400
in terms of

1134
00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:39,700
what a designer does.

1135
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:43,700
It's a question of pruning a kind of.

1136
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:48,100
an insert into the activity

1137
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,100
creating a kind of pause, you know

1138
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:55,400
creating an activity.

1139
00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:57,800
simply

1140
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:00,400
of viewing and thinking

1141
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:02,300
in time

1142
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,300
I'm saying this this has kind of

1143
00:57:07,300 --> 00:57:08,400
naive and quite simple.

1144
00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:12,300
But it isn't

1145
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:14,800
it actually kind of requires.

1146
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:18,300
stepping into another kind of

1147
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:19,200
sensibility

1148
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:21,800
so

1149
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:25,400
in a kind of summing up kind of way.

1150
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:29,900
We have to be able to design three things.

1151
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:33,000
we have to

1152
00:57:34,100 --> 00:57:36,300
design design itself

1153
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,700
in a different way

1154
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,400
we have to design the way that we design.

1155
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:44,200
in a different way

1156
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:47,400
and we have to design what we design.

1157
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:49,100
in a different way

1158
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,300
So the challenge thus is

1159
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:56,400
a complete redesign of

1160
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:56,800
design.

1161
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:00,100
and to do that

1162
00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:02,400
from my experience

1163
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,300
you have to step back from design.

1164
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:11,600
You have to kind of Step Aside.

1165
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:13,300
from the discipline

1166
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:17,600
you have to kind of recognize that a great deal of design education is

1167
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,200
simply education in error.

1168
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,400
Hi, my

1169
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,100
name is anakura and I first I just

1170
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:34,600
want to thank you for the talk. I am not a designer.

1171
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,300
I'm an anthropologist and a psychologist.

1172
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,300
And but I've worked in the field of design my

1173
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:44,800
entire career and what you were talking

1174
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,700
about were was this aspect that

1175
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:53,000
I've always seen as the lack of

1176
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,000
reflection for unintended consequences.

1177
00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:59,100
And so we have intention and and then the

1178
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:02,600
unintended consequence but I think what I

1179
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,300
have is more of a comment than a question because

1180
00:59:05,300 --> 00:59:07,500
it's around time.

1181
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,000
And the way in which and I think it's pushes towards

1182
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:15,000
again this transdisciplinary way of doing

1183
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:20,900
and being because what at

1184
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:21,600
least from the

1185
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,300
the practice of anthropology I see very much

1186
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:27,300
what I've termed in a book. It actually

1187
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:31,700
comes from a film. It's a little embarrassing. There's

1188
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:33,900
a film called before nurse.

1189
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,800
Of HBO has it binged it

1190
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,800
during covid and they use the

1191
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,600
term called trans temporality.

1192
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,400
And it's this action. I think it was

1193
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,400
as I was listening to of describing this

1194
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,500
this movement back.

1195
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,200
And forward and in any which

1196
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,200
way and it it resonated with me, so I've

1197
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,400
written academically not from a design perspective

1198
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,400
but anthropological perspective where this is

1199
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,200
the precisely what I think

1200
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:10,700
is been missing. So I just really was

1201
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:13,700
moved by your comment around time

1202
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:17,400
and this aspect of bringing

1203
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,500
time into the equation.

1204
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:26,100
Okay. Thanks. Thanks for that.

1205
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,400
I just say a little bit more about time in

1206
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,000
that case because

1207
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:37,200
one cannot in a sense separate time

1208
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,200
being is being

1209
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,300
in time literally.

1210
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:43,700
being

1211
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:47,400
within the medium as the condition

1212
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,500
of being

1213
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,100
as being in space

1214
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:56,400
the other thing is that

1215
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,300
you know, we have a we have these Concepts.

1216
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:04,100
And the assumption is that some of

1217
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,700
them mean one thing but the meaning of time.

1218
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:10,400
Is complex and plural?

1219
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:12,400
conjunctional

1220
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:14,900
so for example

1221
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:19,400
hiding up points out that everything has its

1222
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,200
own time.

1223
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,500
Aristotle in common with

1224
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:28,900
Einstein

1225
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,900
describe time

1226
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,900
As that in which events occur?

1227
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,200
And then there is kind of a notion.

1228
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,900
of recursive time

1229
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,800
of it not being linear, but Circle circular.

1230
01:01:46,500 --> 01:01:47,800
And then there is the confusion.

1231
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:49,700
the time

1232
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,000
is measured but time.

1233
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:54,400
is not measure

1234
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,600
the kind of instrumentalization of time that we function with

1235
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,100
as measured duration

1236
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:03,900
Is simply another?

1237
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,100
Kind of reductive way of understanding time.

1238
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,000
So

1239
01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:14,000
You know the question of the nature of time.

1240
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,500
Is an eternal question?

1241
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:18,500
Is an eternal.

1242
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,100
puzzle

1243
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:22,500
and

1244
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:24,300
as we

1245
01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:26,800
acquire knowledge

1246
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,600
So the nature of time.

1247
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:31,900
in a sense morphs

1248
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,700
it is not able to be rendered

1249
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:37,200
as a stability.

1250
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:47,900
Well, I was struck by when you

1251
01:02:47,900 --> 01:02:50,500
were saying that that design is

1252
01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:53,500
in the service of clients and one of

1253
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:56,500
the participants in a in a panel

1254
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,400
yesterday had said to me that that as

1255
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,800
a designer he was frustrated because he couldn't

1256
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,000
do the kinds of projects. He wanted because he

1257
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:08,300
designed in the service of industry

1258
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:11,900
and and he was working, you know, he has a design practice.

1259
01:03:11,900 --> 01:03:14,800
So what I'm wondering was when you

1260
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,600
talk about speaker, I can't hear.

1261
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:18,800
Can you hear me now?

1262
01:03:21,100 --> 01:03:24,200
Yeah, okay. So I was saying that

1263
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,700
I was struck by what you said about design being

1264
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:30,600
in the service of clients and I

1265
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,600
am participant on a panel that I

1266
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,700
was on yesterday had said

1267
01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:40,000
to me that he was frustrated because he feels

1268
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:42,500
that he can't do the kind of design he

1269
01:03:42,500 --> 01:03:45,200
wants because he works in

1270
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,200
the service of industry. And when you talk

1271
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,200
about redesigning design, I wondered if you could talk

1272
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:56,000
about the practicalities of how how what

1273
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,100
does that mean in terms of

1274
01:03:57,100 --> 01:04:01,400
of redesigning clients and finding support

1275
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,600
for the kind for Designing in

1276
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:08,000
time and for Designing in you

1277
01:04:07,300 --> 01:04:09,500
know in support of a viable future.

1278
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,000
Okay, so there's quite

1279
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:19,600
a there's quite a complex issue.

1280
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:22,800
And there are various bits to it. So.

1281
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:24,500
let me just

1282
01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:30,000
deal with to begin with autonomous design

1283
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,200
autonomous design

1284
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:35,400
can be understood

1285
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:37,600
in two ways

1286
01:04:38,500 --> 01:04:39,500
one way

1287
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,900
Is the realization?

1288
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:44,300
of

1289
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:47,100
people in need

1290
01:04:48,500 --> 01:04:49,800
are having the ability.

1291
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:54,500
to discover a solution

1292
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,600
to meeting that need by Design

1293
01:04:58,500 --> 01:04:59,700
through the assistance

1294
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:01,800
of a designer

1295
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:08,000
I'll give you a concrete example.

1296
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:09,900
I worked.

1297
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:12,800
with a colleague in Colombia

1298
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:17,100
With demobilized Fark.

1299
01:05:16,100 --> 01:05:17,700
Gorillas

1300
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:20,100
Women from a local community.

1301
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,000
farmers

1302
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,600
All of whom would living in the community

1303
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,100
trying to wait find a way.

1304
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,400
to economically survive post conflict

1305
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,800
they all had a contribution.

1306
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,300
To that solving that problem.

1307
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,300
and

1308
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,800
it centered around.

1309
01:05:49,700 --> 01:05:51,900
growing coffee a marketing coffee

1310
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,300
But the marketing and coffee wasn't about simply selling

1311
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:57,800
the product.

1312
01:05:58,900 --> 01:05:59,500
but using

1313
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:02,300
the coffee

1314
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,600
as a mechanism of communication through its Packaging.

1315
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:09,700
to describe the process

1316
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:13,100
of the redesign the Reconstruction of

1317
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:14,600
community

1318
01:06:16,100 --> 01:06:18,400
so all the ideas.

1319
01:06:19,700 --> 01:06:20,600
came from

1320
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:23,100
the community

1321
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,400
they were given the kind of authoritative to make

1322
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:29,800
the design decisions.

1323
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:32,300
supported

1324
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:34,400
by designers

1325
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:38,800
So that is it kind of a different relation.

1326
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,900
to a designer being told what to design by

1327
01:06:43,900 --> 01:06:44,700
a client

1328
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:50,200
because the designer was part of the conversation.

1329
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,600
So that's one version another version.

1330
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,800
and that version comes from

1331
01:06:58,900 --> 01:07:02,800
A Columbian American Anthropologist who

1332
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,500
some of you may have

1333
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:05,700
read our tour Escobar?

1334
01:07:07,300 --> 01:07:10,700
The other version is the autonomous designer as the

1335
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:13,200
designer. That is the author of Their Own.

1336
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:15,100
products

1337
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,400
now one of the fundamental principles

1338
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,300
Is simply simple to state?

1339
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,100
but challenging to meet

1340
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:26,700
which is if you can identify.

1341
01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:29,500
a significant problem

1342
01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:32,300
that affects other people

1343
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:34,900
that needs solving

1344
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,000
and develop it as a

1345
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:38,800
design.

1346
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:40,000
project

1347
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:42,900
then there is

1348
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,600
a reasonable possibility

1349
01:07:46,700 --> 01:07:48,900
That somebody some organization.

1350
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:53,500
Will support the realization of the solution to

1351
01:07:53,500 --> 01:07:54,000
that problem.

1352
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,300
And the solution might not be.

1353
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:01,000
A kind of a solution as well as

1354
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:01,500
it were.

1355
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:03,400
an endpoint

1356
01:08:04,500 --> 01:08:05,900
but think it more as a

1357
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,400
changing a set of conditions

1358
01:08:10,300 --> 01:08:13,700
So I'm substituting changing conditions for solution.

1359
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:17,300
So that that requires.

1360
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,100
An a sense a different kind of

1361
01:08:21,100 --> 01:08:22,200
Entrepreneurship.

1362
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:28,100
And the development of a different set of skills.

1363
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,500
It requires a designer to be a far more

1364
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:33,500
articulate.

1365
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:35,400
communicator

1366
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,400
far more perceptive

1367
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,000
researcher

1368
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:45,000
a farm or socially orientated actor

1369
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:50,100
so autonomous design

1370
01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:52,900
You know could well be conceived.

1371
01:08:53,700 --> 01:08:56,800
As another kind of mode of design education. It

1372
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:57,400
is something that

1373
01:08:58,100 --> 01:08:58,800
has to be learned

1374
01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:03,300
at the moment. It is something that a few

1375
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:04,200
people learn.

1376
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:07,800
simply through their own practice

1377
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,200
But it can be.

1378
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,400
Something which is supportive. It can be something which

1379
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:15,600
is

1380
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:17,300
developed

1381
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:21,500
It is a condition of possibility it is so

1382
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:22,900
in the warrants being created.

1383
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:25,600
As for example a course.

1384
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:29,600
so

1385
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:32,900
that's part of the response.

1386
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:35,300
the

1387
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,200
the other is

1388
01:09:38,500 --> 01:09:39,600
it is very common.

1389
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:43,500
For designers after they've been in the workforce for

1390
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:44,500
a number of years.

1391
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:48,300
To be alienated to be frustrated to be

1392
01:09:48,300 --> 01:09:50,700
the satisfied to be for us to be kind of.

1393
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:51,900
kind of

1394
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,600
anxious about what they are doing as a

1395
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:58,000
designer.

1396
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:03,500
So what happens that

1397
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:06,700
people get jaded people kind of a sense

1398
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:09,300
feel compromised, but they still

1399
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:10,500
have to go on earning a living.

1400
01:10:12,900 --> 01:10:16,000
So that actually becomes a very destructive condition,

1401
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,300
you know, it feeds into what I've

1402
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:19,500
been talking about in terms of

1403
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:23,400
autoimmunity what you end

1404
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,200
up destroying your own practice your own

1405
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:26,600
spirit.

1406
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:29,000
so

1407
01:10:31,500 --> 01:10:33,200
the kind of the narrative

1408
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:34,700
of design

1409
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:36,400
of which

1410
01:10:37,100 --> 01:10:38,200
autonomous design

1411
01:10:39,900 --> 01:10:41,200
is a part.

1412
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:45,100
Kind of did not demands rewriting.

1413
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,800
demands new stories

1414
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,100
so rather than Stories being

1415
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:54,200
a digression

1416
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:57,100
the story of design

1417
01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:01,000
needs to be Rewritten. We used

1418
01:11:01,100 --> 01:11:02,000
to be reanimated.

1419
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:06,400
And seen as a path of action

1420
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,000
seeing as something that has agency that

1421
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,100
has the possibility.

1422
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:13,700
of change

1423
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:18,700
so I wrote a story of relocating.

1424
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:22,800
A city in crisis. It was a

1425
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:23,100
story of

1426
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:27,800
35,000 words in a book on design right in

1427
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:28,400
design fictions

1428
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,800
But it is an instructive story.

1429
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,100
You know, it came out of the experience of working

1430
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,400
on.

1431
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:38,600
relocating cities

1432
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:42,300
in 2008. I worked on the

1433
01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:45,400
relocation of a city in Northern Sweden.

1434
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:49,500
so that there is

1435
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,100
as a were tangible knowledge.

1436
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:53,800
in that story

1437
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:58,200
So the stories aren't a digression from learning.

1438
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,400
They are in their construction a way

1439
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:02,600
of learning.

1440
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:06,500
And a way of the transmission of learning.

1441
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,400
so, you know, that's just a little bit of a

1442
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,400
response to the question you asked but there are things

1443
01:12:15,700 --> 01:12:17,800
that can be done that need to be done.

1444
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,200
But it requires stepping outside of the

1445
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:22,800
familiar.

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01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,800
Okay, fantastic. So we've got six questions

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01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,700
lined up. So the

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01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:35,500
first of those is with Peter, we've got

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01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:38,300
one online one up here and then we'll

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01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:41,600
come across to this side of the room in this too so

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01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,600
far over here so first

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01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:45,500
Okay.

1453
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:49,100
Thank you for so. I didn't

1454
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:52,100
hear any of the oh, well, there are six questions lined up.

1455
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:55,400
I guess I'm I'm next Peter Jones. Thank you

1456
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,100
for inspiring.

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01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,300
Um talk about our own Futures and

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01:13:01,300 --> 01:13:04,500
and helping us recognize the

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01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:07,400
responsibility of the designer which reminds

1460
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,600
me of of chomsky's responsibility of

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,300
the intellectual the points of serious relationship to

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01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:17,300
the Future. So what what I

1463
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:21,400
well my question is about is in reconfiguring

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01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,400
the designer as an autonomous

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01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:24,500
designer that

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01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:30,000
What can we now choose our purposes for design?

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01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:32,200
That is I I I've been

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01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,600
working for the last five years. My practice is moved as

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01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,200
we've been learning more about systemic design and

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01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,400
creating different practices. Not just

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,700
research groups than universities but practices

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01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:47,500
that are that are working with the

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01:13:47,500 --> 01:13:50,700
principles and methods and systemic design.

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01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:54,500
We have to now convince out of

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01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:58,200
Market. This is a different approach to designing with

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01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,500
completely different clients to follow up from I think the other

1477
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:01,800
question

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01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:05,200
I don't say this is autonomous in

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01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,400
my sense. But as a following a different being of

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01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,500
service to a different ontological context

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01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:15,300
if you will, so it's working with systems, but those

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01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:18,500
systems are are social systems.

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01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:21,000
So municipalities, for example climate change

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,200
planning with municipalities where I'm part of

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01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,300
a team. I'm not the lead. I might

1486
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:30,500
be called the lead designer, but I'm not designing the

1487
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:34,000
you know, I'm part of it design part of

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01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,000
a team in which design is now part of

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01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:40,100
part of that group. We're working with seafood sustainability across

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01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:42,300
an industry Group, which has hundreds of

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01:14:42,300 --> 01:14:46,100
ngos and Industry players including Walmart. That is

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01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:49,800
a very slow process. Right? So the the

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01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,600
type of temporality in which a design practice is

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,800
used to working in which we conduct workshops

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01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,800
create artifacts have different visual outputs

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01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,300
in sustainable Seafood. This might

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01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:01,800
take years.

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01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:05,500
With a bioregional context so

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01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:08,100
I mean you talk about one of the farc. There are

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01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:11,400
a number we've been working with Costa Rica with South Devon

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01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,800
fiber shed with economic projects

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01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,500
in in Canada new new

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01:15:17,500 --> 01:15:20,100
economics. These are we don't know

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01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:20,500
how

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,600
We aren't trained and not even me as a professor. You

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01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:27,200
know, I never learned this in my own

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01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:31,100
education. So we're training students in ways

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01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:33,300
of Designing within groups and teams

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01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:36,500
and multiple stakeholder contacts where we

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01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:39,300
haven't learned ourselves. We're figuring this

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01:15:39,300 --> 01:15:40,200
out as we're going.

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01:15:41,100 --> 01:15:44,500
So I don't doesn't feel autonomous to me. It feels of service

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01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:47,300
to a different purpose to a

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01:15:47,300 --> 01:15:50,400
sponsor that is

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01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,800
that has some has some

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01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,300
access to the system that we'd like

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01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:59,800
to change and the we isn't the designers. We

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01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,500
the we is one that I'm called to help with

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01:16:02,500 --> 01:16:05,500
that. I believe has some rightness has you know

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01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:08,500
has an ethics and ethical

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01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:11,400
service if you will so there this gets blended

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01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,200
it doesn't you know, it doesn't come out as like oh, this

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01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,500
will be the next project but these projects

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01:16:17,500 --> 01:16:20,500
really come to us and I think in in systemic

1525
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:23,300
Design This is where we're we're trying to catch up.

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01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:27,400
To what we're being called to do. So do you I

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01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:30,800
mean some of the projects you've described Tony are along those

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01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,400
lines. So I mean, it's you know,

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01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,100
who are we being of service to how do we choose? What

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01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:38,900
is our responsibility for those choices?

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01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:45,100
Okay, so I mean look there are

1532
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:47,000
a lot of issues there. So I'm just going to

1533
01:16:48,300 --> 01:16:50,100
I'm just going to kind of respond to

1534
01:16:51,100 --> 01:16:51,900
a few briefly

1535
01:16:54,300 --> 01:16:56,300
first of all

1536
01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:00,600
within the whole dimension of

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01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,600
systems

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01:17:06,700 --> 01:17:08,800
We have a collision with systemic problems.

1539
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,200
So

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01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:15,600
first of all, there is the kind of

1541
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:18,600
the criticality of the analytic

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01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:23,600
of the system that you are inducted.

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01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:26,600
into working Within

1544
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,600
so that that

1545
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,900
poses a question of where to start

1546
01:17:37,300 --> 01:17:38,600
or what to accept

1547
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:42,600
what a critically engage.

1548
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:47,200
what to identify as risks

1549
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,700
So the The crucial issue is

1550
01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:54,000
not.

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,500
What is the problem to solve?

1552
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,600
But rather where is the place to begin?

1553
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,900
And that comes

1554
01:18:08,900 --> 01:18:11,200
to the whole question of time.

1555
01:18:14,300 --> 01:18:17,400
Because as you point out these things take a long time

1556
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:22,000
and the

1557
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,200
time that somebody something takes.

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,600
is determined by

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01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:33,100
the thing itself

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01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:40,000
So that requires seeing the system.

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01:18:42,300 --> 01:18:45,700
as a condition of transformation in

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01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:46,000
time

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01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:52,800
But then that throws up all the other kind of

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,500
major issues that we have the systems.

1565
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,300
in terms

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01:18:58,300 --> 01:18:58,300
of

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01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:00,600
the degree

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01:19:01,700 --> 01:19:04,700
Of enclosure of the system the boundary

1569
01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:05,500
of the system.

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01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:10,700
has not been

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:12,800
autonomous

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01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,800
so here we have a relation of autonomous

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01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,800
design with the question of autonomy itself.

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01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:28,100
So all I'm really doing in responding to

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01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:29,400
the to the issues.

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01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:33,700
Is kind of indicating.

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01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,700
the generation of questions

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01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:41,800
the prefigure

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01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,800
Take any taking any InDesign engagement.

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01:19:50,300 --> 01:19:51,300
with the system

1581
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,700
one question online from Sylvia Barbaro

1582
01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:04,900
Thank you so much for your inspiring speech after reading

1583
01:20:04,900 --> 01:20:07,500
so many of your articles. It completes my comprehension of

1584
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:10,400
the responsibility of design and building Futures. I would

1585
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,800
have thousands of questions. However, I would like to underline a

1586
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,100
concept that you mentioned and I would like to explore it

1587
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:19,400
a little bit more. What is the role of Education in design?

1588
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,500
And what are the main skills that future designers should

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01:20:22,500 --> 01:20:25,200
have in order to really be responsible and

1590
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,600
conscious of this situation. Thank you so much.

1591
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:32,000
Okay. Thanks for that question.

1592
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,500
I start with one very simple.

1593
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:38,100
comment

1594
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:41,300
the most important thing

1595
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:43,400
for design education

1596
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:48,200
Is for the designer to be educated?

1597
01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:53,900
and what I mean by that is

1598
01:20:56,500 --> 01:20:59,900
not too simply learn how

1599
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:00,600
to design.

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01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:04,700
but to learn

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01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:09,700
how to understand the world in which design functions

1602
01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:17,000
so that that then means

1603
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:23,600
going on Beyond design as a discipline.

1604
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:27,400
It also means

1605
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:31,600
kind of understanding design as a continual learning

1606
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:32,800
process. So we

1607
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,200
so there isn't a moment

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01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,300
where you become educated as a designer and then

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01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:41,900
simply become a practitioner.

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01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:46,200
to be a designer

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01:21:48,900 --> 01:21:51,100
has to be understood as a way of learning.

1612
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:57,000
That in order to be responsible.

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01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:01,600
You have to be able to learn.

1614
01:22:03,700 --> 01:22:04,500
how to address

1615
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:09,400
the continual changing circumstances

1616
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:09,800
in which

1617
01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:11,300
We function.

1618
01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:14,900
so

1619
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:17,100
to be frank

1620
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,100
I don't have a very high regard for design education as

1621
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:21,600
it is.

1622
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:27,800
especially kind of object orientated design education

1623
01:22:33,700 --> 01:22:36,800
and the most significant change that

1624
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:37,500
needs to happen.

1625
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,000
Is the re-education of design educators?

1626
01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:51,100
Fantastic, thank you. So we've got a question here at the

1627
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:54,200
front first and then we'll come up to the left hand

1628
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:54,500
side.

1629
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,400
Hello, Tony, Michael Arnold Mages.

1630
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,700
Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to spend with

1631
01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:07,500
us today and prepare this very rigorous

1632
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:07,800
talk.

1633
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,000
I appreciate it very much. I was

1634
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:13,700
interested if an extending

1635
01:23:13,700 --> 01:23:16,900
the metaphor of autoimmunity that you

1636
01:23:16,900 --> 01:23:19,600
brought up earlier and my

1637
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,700
practice is medical. I'm a designer and my

1638
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:25,400
practice is medical adjacent. So I'm asking this question

1639
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,900
a bit from the limits of my knowledge here. But

1640
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:31,700
you know, as I understand the various therapies for

1641
01:23:31,700 --> 01:23:35,100
autoimmune conditions, one of

1642
01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:38,200
these would be to degrade the ability of the

1643
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:41,500
autoimmune cells to replicate one would

1644
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:45,000
be strengthening biological barriers within

1645
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:47,900
the body to keep them. These autoimmune

1646
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:51,800
cells away from what they are attacking one would

1647
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,700
be, you know, killing off the autoimmune system

1648
01:23:54,700 --> 01:23:55,100
either.

1649
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,500
Actually are completely which leaves the you know,

1650
01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:01,000
the person in, you know,

1651
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:05,400
quite a reduced State and then

1652
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,700
some new quite experimental therapies have

1653
01:24:08,700 --> 01:24:11,900
looked to reboot the autoimmune system.

1654
01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:15,500
So kill it off essentially and

1655
01:24:15,500 --> 01:24:18,500
then restart it with stem cells derived

1656
01:24:18,500 --> 01:24:21,200
from the the bone marrow itself.

1657
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,200
And I was wondering if you've you know, extending this

1658
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,200
metaphor of autoimmunity as a condition of contemporary

1659
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,600
life if you've

1660
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,900
had any idea towards therapy.

1661
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:41,200
Yeah, I mean first of

1662
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:41,300
all.

1663
01:24:42,700 --> 01:24:46,600
What it puts on the agenda is the

1664
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,600
imperative of it of responsibility

1665
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,100
experimentation.

1666
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:54,100
so that

1667
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,100
We Can't Stop by presuming that we

1668
01:24:58,100 --> 01:25:00,400
actually know how to do this

1669
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,200
so

1670
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,800
One of the implications when you

1671
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,500
understand it as a political

1672
01:25:13,500 --> 01:25:15,300
issue not just a political issue.

1673
01:25:18,500 --> 01:25:21,500
Is thinking about a different

1674
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:22,600
kind of politics?

1675
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,200
But that bringing that to the relation.

1676
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,300
to the treatment

1677
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:32,200
to the treatment of

1678
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:34,900
medical problems

1679
01:25:38,300 --> 01:25:38,600
so that

1680
01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:41,000
You don't simply have.

1681
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,500
the patient as a passive

1682
01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:50,400
entity being treated

1683
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,600
but but the patient becomes part of

1684
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,000
a different kind of dialogue becomes an

1685
01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:01,700
actor in The experimentation, although they

1686
01:26:01,700 --> 01:26:04,800
might be the object equally of experimentation.

1687
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:12,000
Which requires the patient to

1688
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:14,400
be informed to be given knowledge.

1689
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:18,600
so

1690
01:26:20,500 --> 01:26:23,800
There is a kind of a whole question of expertise stake in

1691
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:24,100
all of this.

1692
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,500
And I come back to the kind of the notion of the pharmacone.

1693
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:35,800
and the kind of

1694
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,600
the path that is steered between

1695
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,100
dangerous action of going to the

1696
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:45,400
edge

1697
01:26:48,900 --> 01:26:50,900
and the notion of

1698
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:53,700
immunity

1699
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,700
being a relocation of place

1700
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:04,400
so thinking about how you put

1701
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:07,600
the person

1702
01:27:08,300 --> 01:27:12,800
Who is being treated and participating

1703
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,200
in their own treatment?

1704
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,100
As being put in another place.

1705
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:22,100
so

1706
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,300
I obviously haven't got off and

1707
01:27:27,300 --> 01:27:31,400
off the top of my head answer to the challenges

1708
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,400
that are posed.

1709
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:36,800
but

1710
01:27:39,100 --> 01:27:41,700
there is a direct relation to be made here.

1711
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:44,700
between cure

1712
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:46,800
and care

1713
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:53,200
both beg to

1714
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,900
be resought

1715
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,500
and that relates

1716
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:03,700
to the activity of

1717
01:28:03,700 --> 01:28:05,000
being careful.

1718
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:09,900
As being full of care.

1719
01:28:11,700 --> 01:28:13,800
So what does it actually mean?

1720
01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:15,200
to be

1721
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:19,600
to be full of care in a Way Beyond a

1722
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,400
kind of fuzzy humanitarianism

1723
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:27,100
Excellent. Thank

1724
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:30,200
you. I think we got time for two more questions. So we've got one up here

1725
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,200
and then we'll finish with Matilda. That's right.

1726
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:35,300
Okay.

1727
01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:39,700
Thank you very much for the three stories. You told

1728
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:39,800
us.

1729
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,500
I'm Christine Wigan.

1730
01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:44,500
I would ask you a question.

1731
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:48,700
When we decide for sustainability, we very often

1732
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:50,900
meet the economic system as a barrier.

1733
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,000
What do you think the economic systems?

1734
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:58,100
represent in your stories

1735
01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:00,300
and how

1736
01:29:01,900 --> 01:29:04,800
will it be there through our management

1737
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,000
of the collapse or the change?

1738
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:15,600
Okay. So again a

1739
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,900
challenging and difficult question.

1740
01:29:19,300 --> 01:29:21,800
the first thing to observe is

1741
01:29:22,900 --> 01:29:25,500
is that we have to be very careful about

1742
01:29:25,500 --> 01:29:27,400
the notion of sustainability.

1743
01:29:30,100 --> 01:29:33,400
Because so much of what happens

1744
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,300
under the name of sustainability.

1745
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:38,500
Is sustaining the unsustainable.

1746
01:29:44,100 --> 01:29:47,800
And the basis of Economics to the

1747
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:49,300
question of sustainment.

1748
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:54,000
is

1749
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,700
Centered around what it is. That is

1750
01:29:57,700 --> 01:29:58,200
it's changed.

1751
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:02,400
so

1752
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,500
what we actually require and I can't

1753
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:11,400
go beyond. This is the kind of a convergence.

1754
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,800
between understanding the ecological

1755
01:30:19,900 --> 01:30:21,600
as a condition of its change.

1756
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:26,600
which is

1757
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,300
in a sense the process of life life is

1758
01:30:30,300 --> 01:30:31,100
predicated.

1759
01:30:31,900 --> 01:30:32,900
What the transformation?

1760
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:37,800
of energy into life

1761
01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:41,900
and

1762
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,800
what should have happened what needs to happen?

1763
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,300
Is this should be the basis?

1764
01:30:52,900 --> 01:30:53,100
of

1765
01:30:54,300 --> 01:30:55,700
full economic Exchange

1766
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,300
so it isn't a question of

1767
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:05,700
designing and idealized system

1768
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:14,400
But rather to take the principle that

1769
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:15,300
I've employed.

1770
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,200
By dealing with what already is this in Metro fitting?

1771
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:22,700
to

1772
01:31:23,700 --> 01:31:25,000
economic conditions

1773
01:31:28,100 --> 01:31:30,700
And a kind of asking the question.

1774
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,300
within your own practice

1775
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:40,000
of what is the

1776
01:31:39,700 --> 01:31:42,200
imperative imperative of

1777
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,000
Exchange?

1778
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:48,300
so one of the things that as a designer

1779
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:51,200
That invites consideration.

1780
01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:55,600
Is what I've talked about of.

1781
01:31:56,500 --> 01:31:59,500
design for elimination design

1782
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,300
for design of what needs to be destroyed

1783
01:32:06,500 --> 01:32:10,100
so that can translate into a different relation of Exchange.

1784
01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:15,900
That also next to

1785
01:32:15,900 --> 01:32:17,900
another kind of notion.

1786
01:32:18,700 --> 01:32:21,700
of the reinvention of utility

1787
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:26,700
that goes also to

1788
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:29,700
what I talked about in terms of

1789
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:32,300
concealment

1790
01:32:34,100 --> 01:32:34,300
of

1791
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,500
in a sense of Designing in truth

1792
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,800
where we actually reveal things.

1793
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,200
So rather than start with

1794
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:53,900
a new economic theory.

1795
01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:59,500
Yeah one I'm not saying this is the absolute answer

1796
01:32:59,500 --> 01:33:01,200
but one possibility.

1797
01:33:03,900 --> 01:33:06,800
Is to work with different

1798
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,000
economic practice this design.

1799
01:33:17,300 --> 01:33:21,200
Question from yesterday's

1800
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,000
keynote so over to Matilda.

1801
01:33:23,700 --> 01:33:24,300
Thank you so much.

1802
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:27,100
Yeah me.

1803
01:33:30,100 --> 01:33:33,200
Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much

1804
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,300
Sony guiding lights.

1805
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,500
I'm Attila Tom and I did the talk yesterday. I

1806
01:33:39,500 --> 01:33:41,900
also mentioned care so that's a nice link.

1807
01:33:43,100 --> 01:33:46,300
And obviously I super agree with you that

1808
01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:49,700
design needs to be redesigned including design education.

1809
01:33:49,700 --> 01:33:52,100
And I also think it's not in the

1810
01:33:52,100 --> 01:33:56,000
future. I think we've seen so many beautiful examples not

1811
01:33:55,300 --> 01:33:58,800
least here like fan Angelie

1812
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,400
and Sophia Daria and in other

1813
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,500
places of design design education relationships with

1814
01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:07,300
clients already being redesigned.

1815
01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:08,800
and

1816
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,400
From my point of view. This is Design coming from

1817
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,800
a logic of Earth instead of another logic but

1818
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,000
a burning question I have is

1819
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:22,100
that obviously the dominant Narrative of design is

1820
01:34:21,100 --> 01:34:24,500
still in service of economic growth and

1821
01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:27,500
has amazing muscles and it's being rehearsed

1822
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:31,600
all the time. So what do we do to outcrowd that

1823
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,300
narrative and how do we connect all

1824
01:34:34,300 --> 01:34:37,600
the myriads of examples of new ways

1825
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,300
of Designing the access and are not coming from

1826
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:42,800
the typical protagonists will say

1827
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,600
And to give those examples more

1828
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,000
power and more visibility and

1829
01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:52,700
I think of this as a kind of wildlife Corridor

1830
01:34:52,700 --> 01:34:55,800
where the butterflies of the new designs can

1831
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,100
flow freely, and I wonder do you

1832
01:34:58,100 --> 01:35:01,000
also see the need for this and how can we do

1833
01:35:01,300 --> 01:35:04,900
it together? How can we connect all this amazing examples

1834
01:35:04,900 --> 01:35:07,700
so that they can outcrowd let's say

1835
01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:10,100
the bad design. Thanks.

1836
01:35:13,700 --> 01:35:14,600
Okay, so

1837
01:35:16,300 --> 01:35:18,500
You know, this has been a problem.

1838
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:23,200
the kind of bow goes back many many decades

1839
01:35:24,500 --> 01:35:26,600
and

1840
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:30,400
there's clearly been a failure.

1841
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:35,500
To be able to do something which is fundamental.

1842
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,200
And it centers on the notion

1843
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:40,800
of gathering.

1844
01:35:43,300 --> 01:35:44,900
Okay, so Gathering.

1845
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:48,400
Is both a coming together?

1846
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,100
and a comprehending

1847
01:35:55,500 --> 01:35:59,000
So that begs

1848
01:35:58,300 --> 01:35:59,500
a strategy.

1849
01:36:02,300 --> 01:36:04,000
a strategy of gathering

1850
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,300
Which requires a narrative?

1851
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:11,200
Okay.

1852
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:15,400
And what obstructs that a narrative?

1853
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,600
Is the kind of the history

1854
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,700
of humanitarianism in design?

1855
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,200
So what actually happens, is that the margins?

1856
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:36,600
People acting on the margins are not actually doing the

1857
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:37,100
same thing.

1858
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:41,400
They're pointed in all sorts of different directions.

1859
01:36:43,300 --> 01:36:45,100
with all sorts of different motivations

1860
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:48,200
and politics

1861
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,200
and and projects

1862
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,200
so there isn't there isn't

1863
01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,800
a narrative at the moment. That hasn't been a narrative.

1864
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,300
So in in a way it comes back to what I've been

1865
01:37:06,300 --> 01:37:07,200
doing. It's about.

1866
01:37:08,300 --> 01:37:11,000
It's about creating another story.

1867
01:37:14,100 --> 01:37:17,800
And it's a it's about disseminating that

1868
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:18,100
story.

1869
01:37:19,700 --> 01:37:22,300
But it

1870
01:37:22,300 --> 01:37:24,600
is incredibly hard.

1871
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,300
And what has to be prepared to

1872
01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:32,000
live with the failures?

1873
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:33,400
over time

1874
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:39,400
but one of the things to remember

1875
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,000
Is just how powerful a design

1876
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,100
narrative can be?

1877
01:37:50,100 --> 01:37:54,600
So there are there are enough people in the

1878
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,400
room that you're in at the moment and there

1879
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:57,600
are enough people listening online.

1880
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,400
To be a really powerful force.

1881
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:09,300
If you could actually gather together the

1882
01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:09,900
narrative.

1883
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:13,600
to comprehend it

1884
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:15,700
and to realize it.

1885
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,600
And to illustrate the

1886
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:19,700
point.

1887
01:38:21,900 --> 01:38:24,100
of the power of a few

1888
01:38:27,300 --> 01:38:27,900
the whole

1889
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:33,100
kind of the whole format of modern consumerism

1890
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:35,900
the negative

1891
01:38:38,700 --> 01:38:39,800
really began with

1892
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,000
less than a dozen designers

1893
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,600
in the late 1920s and

1894
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,600
the early 30s in the US.

1895
01:38:52,700 --> 01:38:55,400
With the waiting in which streamlining became?

1896
01:38:57,100 --> 01:39:00,500
a motor for the generation of

1897
01:39:01,300 --> 01:39:02,700
of consumerism

1898
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:07,600
in relation to the New Deal

1899
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,700
Where the desire?

1900
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,200
for designed commodities

1901
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,900
collided with the electrification of the US.

1902
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,500
through the TVA through Tennessee Valley Authority

1903
01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:33,100
and the arrival of credit purchase

1904
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:38,000
all of

1905
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:38,400
which

1906
01:39:39,700 --> 01:39:42,700
Became the generative motor of a cuminance

1907
01:39:42,700 --> 01:39:44,200
of a consumer-led.

1908
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:50,600
economic recovery celebrated in

1909
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:52,900
the World's Fair in New York in 1939

1910
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:58,600
So this is the negative story. This is the negative story

1911
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:00,500
of a few designers.

1912
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:06,900
Being the generative motor of contemporary hyper consumerism.

1913
01:40:11,100 --> 01:40:13,200
So, how do we invert that story?

1914
01:40:16,300 --> 01:40:18,600
How do we reverse engineer that story?

1915
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:22,700
How do we create?

1916
01:40:23,500 --> 01:40:25,200
a community of designers

1917
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,400
that our future

1918
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:38,600
fantastic. Thank you very much. So can we give another big round

1919
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:39,200
of applause?

1920
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:51,300
Thank you. I feel like I'm smarter.